[Springboard] Fw: preliminary report

[M. George Walters]

Nan

What an incredibly creative idea. Herman Hesse would be proud of you. I
think this kind or work and work others are doing could lead to our
gatherings having study sessions led  by persons in our group who have
prepared carefully thought through material. One might say WMJ provided us
with a Heritage Study in our gathering and Junaluska. Implications from the
past for the future could be an important theme. The filter is the now so we
do not fall into the conservative trap of trying to return to or restore the
past.

 

Thanks for this work. You have a very busy Wayside Inn.

 

On the Wayside Inn for all of us, I hope we do not miss the fact that they
may be places to visit in the daytime only, when they do not have the
ability to accommodate guests overnight. I can hardly imagine that where
there is a spirit person residing there is not a Wayside Inn. Different
Inn's have different capacities. Some have conference centers, others a
foldout couch or a double bed. Their common denominator is a spirit
person(s) who provides a presence for souls on whatever journey they are on.

 

Peace

 

George

 

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From: springboard-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:springboard-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of nancy
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 19:31
To: springboard at wedgeblade.net
Subject: [Springboard] Fw: preliminary report

 

Jim, thanks for your message which certainly deals with one part of my
concern re our work in history. I am sending you our initial reading list,
but much more can be added. 

    The facts seem to be that civilizations are formed and destroyed by
"orders".  We are at a stage where university graduates can no longer spell
(tho' when I graduated 3 spelling errors in a paper meant the professor need
not read it! or an exam paper.  Spel;ling is a small think until you go to
the hospital and are told you don't need to eat after midnight. "Don't need
to or should not?"  "Same difference!"

    Much could be commented on the summary you enclosed.  Thank you very
much for it.  I think given the huge numbers in known history of collapsed
civilizations, one has to consider both the small groups that collapsed it
and the small groups that saved many from collapse.  We don't want to be
arguing against alcohol when the Titanic goes down. In  the west,
Benedictines saved culture and medicine while the Albigensians were
destroyed completely.  

    I think we need  a worldwide study, not a judgment based on a few
hundred years or less.Anyway, we're starting and will include your input.
Thanks!

    And merry Christmas!!

        Nan 

Original Message ----- 

From: nancy <mailto:nangrow at verizon.net>  

To: byrnecarole at charter.net 

Cc: icabombay at igc.org 

Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:19 AM

Subject: preliminary report

 

Dear Carole and Judy,

    It was a pleasure working with both of you.  I am sending a preliominary
reading list on our subject of the effect of Orders on the creation,
reformation and destruction of civilizations.  We suggested goiing back to
10,000 BC, but at the moment 5000BC will have to do for starters.

    Here is a list of books we suggested plus a number I have in the house,
in the middle of this snow storm. Please add, correct, subtract, whatever,
and let's share it together before we submit it.  Obviously it will be an
on-going work. 

    The Xn stuff is not hard to find, but we need to interpret the effects
on civilization and the dynamic interaction. M<y dear husband insists Europe
was saved after the fall of the Roman Empire because the Benedictines were
already up in the mountains, inaccessible, thinking, writing, copying.

 

Non-Christian:

    The Druids, by Peter Berresford Ellis

    Gods and Men, by Henry Bamford Parkes

    The History of Israel, by Noth

    The World'sGreat Religions   (Life)

    Hinges of History, Thos. K. Hill

    Who Will Tell the People? by Wm Griener

    Hope Against Darkness, by Rohr

    The Story of Buddha and Buddhism,  by David McKay

 

Christian

    The Next Christendom, by Philip Jenkins

    The History of Christianity, by Latourette

    Warriors of God,  by Nigg

    Born from Silence, by Ackley

    Journey to the East

    Monks of the West, by Conte de Montalembert    

 

Other Names and Authors

    Leonard Boff

    Auel - Clan of the Cave Bear series

    YES

    Progressive Christianity

    Jack Nelson and Paul Moyer(?)

    Crossan

    Thicht Nat Hahn

    Ken Wilbur

    Thomas Keeling

 

Preliminary study shows many, many different kinds of orders, not just
religious or secular or mendicants or students or servants or hospitalers,
etc. 

1. Are we looking for support-givers rather than initiators?

2. Does an "order" precede or follow a radical change in histpory?

3. What % of orders are lay, monastic, teachers, healers, servants of govt,
and what would be most helpful to concentrate on?

4. What has occurred in the last century since Taize, Pope John the 23rd,
etc.?

5. Why do orders persist after the initial need is met?  How many transist
helpfully , how many degenerate or disappear? Was it indeed time for the O:E
to pass out of history before it became more degenerate and less useful?

 

Immediate or longterm answers are needed, but please send back your thoughts
so we can report as requested.

    

Thanks,

    Nancy Grow

   

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