[Springboard] Fw: preliminary report

Sat Dec 15 09:48:20 EST 2007

Thank you George for your comments about the Wayside Inn being beyond
accommodations.  Sometimes people have a place to stay but are seeking food
for the spirit.
*Paula*

On Dec 15, 2007 6:54 AM, M. George Walters <m.george.walters at verizon.net>
wrote:

>  Nan
>
> What an incredibly creative idea. Herman Hesse would be proud of you. I
> think this kind or work and work others are doing could lead to our
> gatherings having study sessions led  by persons in our group who have
> prepared carefully thought through material. One might say WMJ provided us
> with a Heritage Study in our gathering and Junaluska. Implications from the
> past for the future could be an important theme. The filter is the now so we
> do not fall into the conservative trap of trying to return to or restore the
> past.
>
>
>
> Thanks for this work. You have a very busy Wayside Inn.
>
>
>
> On the Wayside Inn for all of us, I hope we do not miss the fact that they
> may be places to visit in the daytime only, when they do not have the
> ability to accommodate guests overnight. I can hardly imagine that where
> there is a spirit person residing there is not a Wayside Inn. Different
> Inn's have different capacities. Some have conference centers, others a
> foldout couch or a double bed. Their common denominator is a spirit
> person(s) who provides a presence for souls on whatever journey they are on.
>
>
>
> Peace
>
>
>
> George
>
>
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>
> *From:* springboard-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:
> springboard-bounces at wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *nancy
> *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 19:31
> *To:* springboard at wedgeblade.net
> *Subject:* [Springboard] Fw: preliminary report
>
>
>
> Jim, thanks for your message which certainly deals with one part of my
> concern re our work in history. I am sending you our initial reading list,
> but much more can be added.
>
>     The facts seem to be that civilizations are formed and destroyed by
> "orders".  We are at a stage where university graduates can no longer spell
> (tho' when I graduated 3 spelling errors in a paper meant the professor need
> not read it! or an exam paper.  Spel;ling is a small think until you go to
> the hospital and are told you don't need to eat after midnight. "Don't need
> to or should not?"  "Same difference!"
>
>     Much could be commented on the summary you enclosed.  Thank you very
> much for it.  I think given the huge numbers in known history of collapsed
> civilizations, one has to consider both the small groups that collapsed it
> and the small groups that saved many from collapse.  We don't want to be
> arguing against alcohol when the Titanic goes down. In  the west,
> Benedictines saved culture and medicine while the Albigensians were
> destroyed completely.
>
>     I think we need  a worldwide study, not a judgment based on a few
> hundred years or less.Anyway, we're starting and will include your input.
> Thanks!
>
>     And merry Christmas!!
>
>         Nan
>
> Original Message -----
>
> *From:* nancy <nangrow at verizon.net>
>
> *To:* byrnecarole at charter.net
>
> *Cc:* icabombay at igc.org
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2007 10:19 AM
>
> *Subject:* preliminary report
>
>
>
> Dear Carole and Judy,
>
>     It was a pleasure working with both of you.  I am sending a
> preliominary reading list on our subject of the effect of Orders on the
> creation, reformation and destruction of civilizations.  We suggested goiing
> back to 10,000 BC, but at the moment 5000BC will have to do for starters.
>
>     Here is a list of books we suggested plus a number I have in the
> house, in the middle of this snow storm. Please add, correct, subtract,
> whatever, and let's share it together before we submit it.  Obviously it
> will be an on-going work.
>
>     The Xn stuff is not hard to find, but we need to interpret the effects
> on civilization and the dynamic interaction. M<y dear husband insists Europe
> was saved after the fall of the Roman Empire because the Benedictines were
> already up in the mountains, inaccessible, thinking, writing, copying.
>
>
>
> Non-Christian:
>
>     The Druids, by Peter Berresford Ellis
>
>     Gods and Men, by Henry Bamford Parkes
>
>     The History of Israel, by Noth
>
>     The World'sGreat Religions   (Life)
>
>     Hinges of History, Thos. K. Hill
>
>     Who Will Tell the People? by Wm Griener
>
>     Hope Against Darkness, by Rohr
>
>     The Story of Buddha and Buddhism,  by David McKay
>
>
>
> Christian
>
>     The Next Christendom, by Philip Jenkins
>
>     The History of Christianity, by Latourette
>
>     Warriors of God,  by Nigg
>
>     Born from Silence, by Ackley
>
>     Journey to the East
>
>     Monks of the West, by Conte de Montalembert
>
>
>
> Other Names and Authors
>
>     Leonard Boff
>
>     Auel - Clan of the Cave Bear series
>
>     YES
>
>     Progressive Christianity
>
>     Jack Nelson and Paul Moyer(?)
>
>     Crossan
>
>     Thicht Nat Hahn
>
>     Ken Wilbur
>
>     Thomas Keeling
>
>
>
> Preliminary study shows many, many different kinds of orders, not just
> religious or secular or mendicants or students or servants or hospitalers,
> etc.
>
> 1. Are we looking for support-givers rather than initiators?
>
> 2. Does an "order" precede or follow a radical change in histpory?
>
> 3. What % of orders are lay, monastic, teachers, healers, servants of
> govt, and what would be most helpful to concentrate on?
>
> 4. What has occurred in the last century since Taize, Pope John the 23rd,
> etc.?
>
> 5. Why do orders persist after the initial need is met?  How many transist
> helpfully , how many degenerate or disappear? Was it indeed time for the O:E
> to pass out of history before it became more degenerate and less useful?
>
>
>
> Immediate or longterm answers are needed, but please send back your
> thoughts so we can report as requested.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>     Nancy Grow
>
>
>
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Paula
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