[Springboard] LIMITS TO POWER STUDY second week How many of you are ready for chapter 2?

[Don Elliott]

Jim,

Had you been walking, riding a horse or bicycle, you would have had more time to ponder all those privileged people flying overhead and finished your essay on consumerism.
I now have the book and would like to sit in on the next discussion.? What are the mechanics?


Don Elliott


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Subject: [Springboard] LIMITS TO POWER STUDY second week How many of you are ready for chapter 2?







I really appreciated Joe Crocker's comment about not having to be in a hurry to get through the book.? What do you all think?? Ready to move to chapter 2 this week, or wanting to continue on chapter 1?? 

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David Zahrt has helped with some charting of the introduction and of chapter 1 (attached).

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David Rebstock and David Dunn have now joined the springboardventure group (though I don't see anyone DOING anything there . . .)

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Listening to the conversation this week about the auto industry and whether to "save" it, just seems to drive this notion about profligacy -- driving ourselves to consume, to live past our means, to buy on credit even deeper.? I was on an airplane and started an essay about how the population of this country was being managed like an industrial farm -- 

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what is holding this in being?? where do we find ourselves caught in and even reinforcing this crisis in our communities and in our lives?

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Jim Wiegel

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From: Paula Philbrook <paula.philbrook at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Springboard] Looking to Tuesday . . .
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Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:38 PM



I would appreciate a discussion group as well.? When I saw the Moyer's interview I was quite impressed.? Paula



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On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Ellen & David Rebstock <grapevin2 at gmail.com> wrote:

I read it too and was compelled to use the Imbalanced Social Process Triangles to analyze it.? I would be interested in a discussion group.
Ellen Rebstock






On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:40 AM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:












"Yet to imagine that installing a particular individual in the Oval Office will produce decisive action on any of these fronts (terrorism and nuclear weapons, climate change and poverty, genocide and disease) is to succomb to the grandest delusion of all.? The quadrennial ritual of electing (or reelecting) a president is not an exercise in promoting change, regardless of what candidates may claim and ordinary voters believe.? The real aim is to ensure continuity, to keep intact the institutions and arrangements that define present-day Washington."? Andrew J. Bacevich, The Limits of Power, p. 171.

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"If you think the City of Chicago is going to elect a new mayor every 4 years and he is going to come out here and do your work for you, you're wrong.? If this community is going to be different it will be because of you.? You're going to have to do it yourself"? Verdell Trice, paraphrased from the Fifth City video.

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hmmm . . . .

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I just finished reading The Limits of Power.? Anyone interested in forming a discussion group to study it?

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