[Dialogue] Re: Our relationship to Ken Wilbur

[aiseayew]

Dear Wayne,

I don't diagree with you at all.  I was just trying to report on my personal
memories of how our relationship to Ken Wilbur's work went down, and
personally, I was very disappointed that we never figured out how to truly
develop our organizational relationship with this genius.

I'd love you to put a date (and maybe place) on when the adversarial went
out.  I seem to recall that it disappeared over and over again in
relationship to particular issues and then would rear its ugly head in
relation to others.  A huge part of it went away for me, forever, one day
when I was teaching the Smith paper (Ur Images--Conflict vs. Complimentary
Dualism) and I got it.  It was an amazing event.  I was standing in front of
a group at the International Training Institute (ITI) in Jos, Nigeria, and
the tears were just streaming down my face.

As is true with so much of the journey, I find I have to repeat the patterns
in order to know my knowing.  For serveral years I allowed myself to be
cowed by those who were doing spiritual jouney comparisons (telling me that
my perspective/opinion/experience didn't count because of my immaturity and,
in fact, reminding me that they could sit in meditation for longer than I
could).  In this instance, I have vivid memories of a Ram Dass tape that was
used in the Holons in the summer of '84 being my breakthrough point and I
was freed again.

I suppose that I am unaware of my own slippage on the journey in specific
arenas.  I'm hoping that I never reach a point in my life when the dramatic
moments cease to occur.  I think if they do, I'll be dead.

In love and light,
Margaret Helen Aiseayew


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Nelson" <wnelson at ica-associates.ca>
To: "Colleague Dialogue" <Dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Our relationship to Ken Wilbur


 "aiseayew" wrote: As often happens (considering the group was and has
always been microcosmic) individuals on each pole would use his work to "bea
t up" on those who took the other position.  ("You wouldn't say that if you
had journeyed far enough, i.e., as far as I have, along the spectrum of
consciousness.)

 The ". . .just 10 more (spiritual) pushups" and "I'm further along the
journey than you" approach to spirituality went out and away with
competitive, adversarial, militaristic imagery, telling fibs about project
and fund raising successes and comparing the sizes of intimate body parts.
Imagine saying, "I can meditate longer than you." LMAO
>
> It's a little like competitive yoga. What's the point? You are working
with
> yourself.
>
> If you have to say to are - even in subtle ways and especially in sneaky
> ways - you are definitely not - probably not even on the same part of the
> path - a different place. Not bad or less or weaker - just in a very
> different place.
>
> Wayne
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