[Dialogue] Guernica

Fri Apr 20 21:04:19 EDT 2007

Hello everyone,

ORID . . . in my memory the "original" sequence was objective-reflective-interpretive-theological, and the source was the Ecumenical Institute (EI) of the late 1960s (predecessor to the ICA).  EI presented it as a tool within "imaginal education" while training church people (like me, for instance).
Also, if my memory serves me well (I hope, grin), the four-part sequence was based on Piaget developmental categories.

In the 1980s, I learned another form of ORID which is of use to psychotherapists, a form which I use when working w/ those who have severe mental illness.  A Roman Catholic nun in San Francisco taught me this psychoanalytic four-step model, but I can not recall her name.  Or again, I bumped into an ORID-like model when talking w/ a PhD candidate at Princeton Theological Seminary--late 1970s--who thought she had discovered something both exciting and new in education.  Well, the exciting part was certainly true.  Based on these two experiences, I am inclined to think that ORID has been discovered quite a number of times, and without the respective parties realizing it.

Lastly, most of the workshop methods I learned while associated w/ EI/ICA/Order/whatever were based on the same four-part sequence.  At least that was/is true in my mind.  Perhaps a modified comment by the character "Dirty Harry" as played by Clint Eastwood would apply here:  It's a legend in his own mind.  Sigh.

Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ed Reames 
To: Colleague Dialogue
Sent: 4/19/2007 9:12:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Guernica

ORID model

Objective
Reflective
Interpretive
Decisional

Here is an article from a web site describing the development of the model by the ICA.  The article mentions TOP also.

http://www.processworkmidwest.org/writings/pwarticle

Regards,

Ed Reames
La Rivera de Belen
Costa Rica
72 degrees F and cloudy

David Walters wrote: 
Wasn't a fourth section called theological or decisional?

David Walters

Shirley Heckman Snelling transferred the old manual into text.  This is the page on 

GUERNICA

Introduction:  The Church and the use of art.
             No Christian art
          Liturgical art
          What is good art?
          Experience your experience
          Revolutionary role in civilization
          How to discuss art:
             Don't ask artist what it means
          Trialogue - you, I, painting

Questions: Order your questions very carefully in the following pattern in order that a progression in consciousness takes place.
            Suggested questions which might be used (not meant to be exhaustive):

      1.  Impressionistic: Immediate raw data of the art form.
          What object do you notice?  (varieties of same: animate, inanimate, shapes)
          What color do you see?

      2.  Reflective:  Personal relation with the data of the art form.
          What color would you add (where?)   Take out?   Same for objects.
          What music would you play as background to this art form?
          What noise do you hear coming from the painting?  Make the noise.  (Often, if individuals are reluctant to do so, group can be divided and make all the noises suggested at one time.)
          How would you divide the painting into two parts.-  Which part keep?
          How does this art form make you feel?  What emotion? 
          Where would you hang this painting in your home?
          What is the group's willingness to live with the painting?

      3.  Interpretive, cultural:  Association of personal relations to the art form with
                     ordinary life content.
          What story would you tell about this painting?
          What has happened here?  What is going on here?
          What word is coming out of the picture?
          Where do you see this going on in your life?
          What Word would you say to the painting?

Conclusion: Call attention to the fact that this conversation has had to do with their lives.  Tell story of the painting.

            Purpose:      To engage the group in an authentic reflection upon the suffering of their own lives and their relationship with it.  To effect a corporate presence to the dimension of selfhood.

Patricia Tuecke <ptuecke at charter.net> wrote: 
I have a colleague interested in using Guernica as an art form to demonstrate the focused conversation method in a group and is working on the questions.

I’m curious if any of you have our original Guernica conversation.  It may be on the Golden Pathways, but my CD drive isn’t working. To my regret, my RS-1 files were lost years ago. I remember the “Where do you see this going on  - in your community/neighborhood & in your own life” questions. 

I’m curious to see how it compares to a “generic” art form//focused conversation on a piece of art.

I expect that after the Virginia Tech tragedy, it could be an appropriate conversation – at least a memorable one.  

If you can send me the questions or point me in the right direction, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks,
Pat

Patricia Tuecke, Sierra Circle Consulting
775-333-6998   ptuecke at charter.net
Contributor to:  
     Participation Works!, Ch. 5
     Discovering Common Ground, Ch. 25
     IAF Handbook of Facilitation, Ch. 5

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