[Dialogue] Secondary Ethics / integrity

Thu Aug 23 10:45:14 EDT 2007

This has been an interesting set of emails and I must confess that I
strongly relate to most of the threads that have come out of this. I often
feel that those of us who went through the Order Ecumenical - EI - ICA
experience have to have a healthy schizophrenia to embrace what gave us a
sense of depth and social consciousness and yet look with open eyes at a
destructive malaise of cultic proportions in which we participated. When
some of us said "you do not understand consensus" meaning that I am the big
Gorilla in the room, we were using "tertiary" integrity under the guise of
secondary integrity but otherwise known as arrogance. Arrogance was the
unraveling dynamic in our history. However, I still think that secondary
integrity a la John and Marilyn can be a healthy term. Ah, but is so easy to
lie to ourselves.

Carlos R. Zervigon, PMP

Zervigon International, Ltd.

817 Antonine St.

New Orleans, LA  70115  USA

504 894-9868 Mobile: 504 908-0762

carlos at zervigon.com

http://www.zervigon.com

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of John Cock
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:51 AM
To: 'Colleague Dialogue'
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Secondary Ethics

History now judges that Bonhoeffer was acting with integrity as he helped
plan the murder of Hitler and that Gandhi was acting with integrity when he
disobeyed colonial law in India. Both were brave, clean, and reverent --
especially reverent. But they broke "God's" law and British law. And
Gandhi's wife thought he was irresponsible re the family, and he was.

Secondary integrity is about discerning and doing "the will of God," and
nobody finally knows whether 'twas done or not, and in the discussion of it
colleagues divide.

John

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marilyn R Crocker
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:31 PM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Secondary Ethics

To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net

Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:07:58 -0400

Subject: Re: [Dialogue] {Disarmed} Re:  Secondary Ethics

Dick et al,

My understanding of "secondary" integrity (as opposed to the rules, regs and
legalisms that,for me, represent "primary" integrity) is that which guides
one's actions in accord with the "necessary deed" -- the freely responsible
action (cf Bonhoeffer) which I've never found is a simplistic cop out, but
rather the result of complex, prayer filled discernment.

I would be interested to know more about your thinking, Dick, that led you
to conclude this was our movement's most serious perversion.

With appreciation for the resources you bring to our "virtual" collegium
room table,

Marilyn

Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D
Crocker & Associates, Inc.
123 Sanborn Road
West Newfield, ME 04095
(207) 793-3711

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:23:34 EDT KroegerD at aol.com writes:

Here is a link to the subject not from the spirit movement.

http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Model-of-Ethics-for-Womens-Development
<http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Model-of-Ethics-for-Womens-Development&id=65425
2> &id=654252

On golden pathways a google search delivered only a speech by Mathews in
Korea.  ( below )

good luck with that!!

In my words, secondary integrity means doing whatever is necessary, telling
story ( even if it is totally untrue) in order to ger 'er done.  In my
opinion, it was our movement's most serious perversion, and ultimately did
in the spirit movement as an organization.

Dick Kroeger

Global Priors Council 

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