[Dialogue] {Spam?} Re: {Disarmed} Re: Secondary Ethics Integrity arrogance

[Carlos R. Zervigon]

I am afraid that I initiated the word arrogance in the string of messages.
After I hit the send button I thought to myself: "self that was a quick
oversimplified reduction of a complex set of circumstances in which many of
us participated" However I still stand by the statement re: so called
consensus at the highest level (JWM) and many of our feeble attempts to
mimic that stance through different priorship assignments etc. was a
fallacious polity and was PART of our downfall. Is some arrogance
appropriate and should it sometimes abound. I can't argue with that. But
when I caught myself playing God in relation to my colleagues, I know that
was destructive arrogance. I woke up too many times in the middle of the
night saying to myself "How could you be so arrogant. Am I glad I was on the
journey with many of you. I am ecstatic about it. It is the only way I know
who I am. (Or do I?) (I couldn't pass that up on myself) I would not be in
this list serve if what we did not mean so much for what Kathryn, Mario and
I are today. (Mario is the finance director for the Louisiana Democratic
Party with lots of secondary integrity) If we are going to allude to
historic articulations in this thread I would admonish those of us who fell
into the trap of describing this as a two sided polarity. (The other side,
both sides, yes or no) this has been a rich multifaceted set of spins which
warm my heart and soul but it would be hard as hell to reduce it to two
sides. I love you all.

 

Carlos R. Zervigon, PMP

Zervigon International, Ltd.

817 Antonine St.

New Orleans, LA  70115  USA

504 894-9868 Mobile: 504 908-0762

carlos at zervigon.com

http://www.zervigon.com

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Walters
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:35 AM
To: Colleague Dialogue
Subject: [Dialogue] {Spam?} Re: {Disarmed} Re: Secondary Ethics

 

Darrell suggests that  second integrity manifested itself as arrogance.
"Born to forge out of the darkest night signs of abundant life!"  was, and
still is, about aswering the call to be the People of  God in history or
accepting an assignment to be those who care.

 

Yes " We were going into the world and make the world like us." or that is
to say our intent was to make clones of those who care. The fact that some
folks got their egos wound up a little too tight did not and does not change
the fact that most of us got it right. Whether we were digging wells or
working in the kitchen at Kemper, we were all about one thing - bending
history.

 

My only regret is that we could hang together so that we would all be
celebrating the 40 year timeline this year. All we are being offered os a
loony even in a monostery outside of Chicago by some folks who have no clue
of what we are about. 

 

About "Bushian thinking", as I think back, I do not remember seeing Bush, or
any body around him, at RS-1.  No primary integrity, much less amy secondary
integrity, in the whole lot of them. It is clear that they all operate out
of a very reduced world view. They certainly never took CS-1 or the
Nation/World course.  Bush says he is a Methodist, but apparently has never
interiorized any of the basic tents of Methodism.

 

If Tilllich were still with us, he would tell us that where arrogance
abounds, care does much more abound.

 

David Walters.

 

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