[Dialogue] Primary/Secondary Integrity in HDP's

Wed Aug 29 08:11:04 EDT 2007

Amen to both John and Marshall's contribution. I was just thinking, I  
hope they let us know when the DVD is available. Fanfare for the  
Common Man moved to the top of my favorites list after Marshall used  
it in that film.
Priscilla

On Aug 29, 2007, at 3:51 AM, jlepps at pc.jaring.my wrote:

> Thanks for the update, Marshall. It will be great to have that DVD  
> available. I still recall the event when you showed the rough cuts  
> of it in Kemper -- to a standing ovation. And Fanfare for the  
> Common Man has never been the same!
>
> John
>
> At 11:17 PM 8/28/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>> Yes, Addi, I am.
>>
>> And, BTW, soon we're all gonna be able to revisit Sudtonggan  
>> again, as well Bayad, Kawangware, Maliwada, Oyubari, Ijede,  
>> Kwangyung, Hai Ou, and many of the other HDP's. And yes, we'll be  
>> able to see those wells gushing life-giving clean water. For real.
>>
>> A little bird told me that ICAI is gonna re-release The World of  
>> Human Development on DVD this year, exactly thirty years after it  
>> was shot. So we can all take a new look.
>>
>> And I can't wait.
>> "You've got to give a little, take a little,
>> And let your poor heart break a little,
>> That's the story of, that's the glory of Love."
>>
>> That's the story of, that's the glory of...
>> Secondary Integrity!
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> "In 1952 they ranked me number five!"
>> "Mountain Rivera was no punk. Mountain Rivera was almost the  
>> Heavyweight Champion of the World!"
>>
>>
>> Adelbert Batica <abatica at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rev. Jones -
>>
>> Are you doing theology again? Heh, heh, heh! These are topnotch
>> "pedagogical illustrations", though. And when did this pugilist  
>> make that
>> bold claim, about not "taking a dive" - in 1952? Why even brag  
>> about not
>> taking a dive - What was his problem, anyway?
>>
>> And your "Professor Hill", did he teach at the "Gary, Indiana  
>> Conservatory
>> of Music"? Yeah, you do have a way with cinema as a "tool". "Of  
>> all the
>> bars and the gin joints in all the world..." - you have to delve  
>> into this
>> God-thing right here.
>>
>> Alright, Primary and Secondary "integrity". But you know, I still  
>> struggle
>> with these categories, like Randy and Kroeger, because aside from  
>> doing
>> development - I was up to my eyeballs in HDP. And in Sudtonggan, I
>> sometimes whirled and twirled just thinking about the many stories  
>> being
>> told about the many miracles we were performing in that poor,  
>> desolate
>> village. The Community Health Clinic is the image that sticks in  
>> my mind.
>> Because...God only knows how many times we "sold" that Clinic to  
>> how many
>> donors. Luckily enough for us - we didn't have to "invent" a well,  
>> because
>> as far as water was concerned - like Moses... we could literally  
>> draw water
>> from limestone rock. No sweat, no kidding. And the water tasted  
>> just like
>> spring water. We knew early on that that was a commodity we  
>> couldn't "sell"
>> to any prospective donor.
>>
>> Maybe I set aside that Primary and Secondary stuff as soon as I  
>> was in the
>> Land of the Incas, to begin working in Azpitia. Perhaps because I  
>> knew I
>> didn't have to invent stories, but instead focused on "Veritas".  
>> No, there
>> was no need to "create a story" for the Jesuits - they were  
>> willing to help
>> out and give us a chance. But perhaps my wonder of wonders at the  
>> time was
>> (and this is perhaps where that Primary and Secondary thing steps  
>> in) - my
>> willingness to sit down with the Padres de Opus Dei, the Spaniards  
>> who had
>> jurisdiction over the parish, Azpitia's church included. The  
>> Jesuits did
>> warn me about not having anything to do with Opus Dei, but I  
>> thought at that
>> point that, at least every once in while - "integrity", ha, ha, ha  
>> - could
>> be "set aside" by breaking bread with them. After all, isn't there
>> something about "The Unity of Opposites"? When Left and Right come  
>> together
>> - a creative force is released. Opus Dei gave us permission to use  
>> the
>> church building for meetings and other project-related activities.  
>> The
>> other thing Opus Dei gave me permission to do was...officiate at some
>> funerals when no priest was available. It was actually a good  
>> feeling, to
>> do the "send-out" (and fall back on my Latin every now and then,  
>> which the
>> more conservative congregation just loved!) "De profundis clamavi  
>> ad te,
>> Domine, Domine exaude vocem meam..."
>>
>> Yes, sometimes we had to make hard decisions, and I can't exactly  
>> describe
>> the gut-wrenching feeling of having to stand in radical ambiguity.  
>> And feel
>> the pain. And have to go through the Dark Night. Doubt myself,  
>> blame God,
>> blame the world. The Dark Night. We all have to experience the  
>> Dark Night,
>> it's part of our humanity. That the Christ figure would dare  
>> demand: "Take
>> this cup away from me..." is proof enough of his humanity. And the  
>> world
>> will never be the same.
>>
>> What a great revelation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Addi Batica
>>
>> P.S. "I'm just shocked, shocked to know that gambling is going on  
>> here!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: "W. J."
>> Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue
>> To: oe at wedgeblade.net, dialogue at wedgeblade.net
>> Subject: [Dialogue] Primary/Secondary Integrity in the movies
>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>> Just to stir the pot a little bit more (y'know it's hard to resist!):
>>
>> There are two movie characters that come to mind in trying to  
>> understand
>> Primary and Secondary Integrity.
>>
>> One uttered the famous line: "One hundred eleven fights and never  
>> took a
>> dive!" That for me is a good example of Primary Integrity that, in  
>> the
>> context/situation of the film, gets transformed. Ten points if you  
>> can guess
>> the film title.
>>
>> The other guy is Professor Harold Hill. Seventy-six extra points  
>> if you
>> can name the title. Hint: he's a major scam artist. Second hint:  
>> it's a
>> musical!
>>
>> Basically Harold just wants to get laid, get paid, and hop the last
>> freight train outa town before he's tarred and feathered. (I know,  
>> it's
>> coming, let me think a sec!)
>>
>> But here's what's amazing about the movie. Despite all his bad
>> intentions, the town gets permanently transformed, and Harold gets  
>> caught up
>> in a brand new reality (for him) and blows his exit.
>>
>> So what's really going on here? You could say the whole town was
>> imprisoned by their xenophobia (google it) and gossip ("Pick pick  
>> pick, talk
>> a lot, pick a little more!").
>>
>> And along comes this seductive, nasty guy whose only ethic is to  
>> prey on
>> the town's vulnerability (fear of "the telltale signs of  
>> corruption" and
>> appetite for a larger vision of something), screw 'em financially,  
>> and leave
>> 'em lying in their dust and disappointment.
>>
>> But he believes in something, however impossible, reduced, or  
>> perverted
>> ("I always think there's a band, kid.") And something finally  
>> moves him to
>> tell little Winthrop (Ron Howard) the truth: yes, he's a liar, and  
>> no, he
>> can't read music (a very BIG hint!).
>>
>> So what's this got to do with US? With Town Meetings all over Iowa
>> (hint!) and our global Band of Human Development Projects?
>>
>> Well, we did borrow from this movie a song for the Gibson HDP, a  
>> rewrite
>> of 'Lyda Rose' (HUGE hint!). And when the school board stopped  
>> squabbling,
>> learned to harmonize, and sang 'Lyda Rose'...sheer Spirit began to  
>> break
>> loose and transform everything.
>>
>> So you could say that miracles happened despite Professor Hill's very
>> shady version of Secondary Integrity.
>>
>> Roman Catholic theology has a very interesting view of this. Even the
>> Pope understands that he doesn't have to be a "good guy" to be the
>> Pope--that is, to be an effective mediator of divine grace. A "bad"
>> priest--a pederast, for example--is just as effective as a saint  
>> in bringing
>> people into communion with the divine in the Mass.
>>
>> OK, so I'm not lettin' anybody off the hook here. Pederasts in the  
>> O:E
>> included.
>>
>> But when we critique our crumminess, shortcomings, ethical lapses,  
>> and
>> shady integrity, let's not forget that Professor Harold Hill got  
>> used by the
>> Mystery, despite all his bad intentions.
>>
>> And in that sense, you could put on your theological glasses and  
>> see in
>> him a Christ figure. Go figure.
>>
>> Marshall Jones
>>
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