[Dialogue] Obama

Tue Feb 13 13:22:45 EST 2007

Thanks, Carlos.  I am glad to see Edwards mentioned.  I was quite impressed
with him a couple of Sundays ago when he was on Meet the Press.  Russert
bored in on him, showed various clips of things Edwards had said before and
I thought Edwards handled it all candidly and honestly.  He didn't weasel,
he wasn't defensive, he didn't spout platitudes, he just admitted where he'd
been wrong, explained if it made sense.  For instance, he said before voting
authority for Bush's war, he checked carefully with Clinton administration
people who should know and they told him they were afraid of what Saddam
Hussein was up to with weapons of mass destruction.  I would say that in my
80 years, I have never felt so strongly that a candidate was speaking
honestly, from his own heart, and not mouthing "smart campaign" fodder from
Rove-like managers.  If he keeps it up, he will at least provide a contrast
to the slick campaigning of others.  I will be watching carefully.  I am all
for electability, and I hope the American people aren't again suckered in by
very skillful, high powered opinion manipulators of either party.  

I think the very best argument against "intelligent design" is how often
human beings are gullible and buy into demagoguery:  Remember Hitler,
Neville Chamberlain, Joe McCarthy, the Swift Boat charlatans, Bush's
"justifications"  of his war, and now, AIPAC types building support for
Israeli hardliners wanting to attack Iran.  

Me, I'm just a fellow-traveling outsider who is grateful for being allowed
on Dialogue.  The late TC Wright was my brother-in-law and I love Karen
Bueno as family.  

Jim  Rippey in blustery Bellevue, NE.

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Carlos R. Zervigon
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:35 AM
To: 'Colleague Dialogue'
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Obama

My previous input was general re: purity in voting. As to a lot of the
recent comments I am intrigued with Obama, I still like John Edwards as I
did four years ago. I am not at all opposed to Hillary and I am watching my
fellow Hispanic dark horse Richardson. A lot of comments are great food for
thought. I agree with David that electability is an important ingredient.
With this long lead time we can afford the luxury of watching the test of
the campaign trail. It will be one of the indicators of true leadership.
However conducting a campaign and leading a nation are very different
things.

Carlos R. Zervigon, PMP

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Adelbert Batica
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:43 AM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Obama

Obama, indeed, brings something fresh to the national debate.  However, some
might take "fresh" to mean "little or no experience".  Still, I like
Obama...mainly because of his lack of experience.  For one, he has no
experience in lying to the American public, no experience in bullying
Congress and his global allies to support a war, and certainly - no
experience in going to war or ordering the invasion of another country that
has resulted in the unnecessary expenditure of American and Iraqi lives.
Finally, the guy has no experience getting "elected" by a mere 150-or-so
questionable votes.

"Lack of experience" could well be Barack's crowning glory.

Addi

P.S.  Maybe there is such a thing as a Clinton "baggage", maybe not.
However, to be fair to Bill - he did wonders for the U.S. economy in his
time.  Let it be said that Billy Boy came at the right time (no pun
intended!)  And I'm with Chris Rock when he commented once on his HBO show
that, given what Bill did for the economy...he deserved 1,000 more than what
Monica gave him.

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From:  LAURELCG at aol.com
Reply-To:  Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
To:  dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject:  [Dialogue] Obama
Date:  Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:07:33 EST
I'm afraid Hillary is just too polarizng, with too much baggage from the
past, to win the election.  (I would vote for her if she were to get the
nomination, but then I voted for Gore.  And Kerry.)  Baby boomers have been
oppositional ever since the sixties, and here we are with the resulting
polarization.
The most appealing thing about Barack Obama, to me, is that he brings a
fresh,
more unifying approach.

My 2 cents,
Jann

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