[Dialogue] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Spam?} Spong thePoliical Wonk

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Thanks for the reading list.

Please read also HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS by
NELSON  A.  PAGUYO, MD, VANTAGE PRESS, INC. 419 PARK
AVE. SOUTH, NY, NY.10016.  

Elsa Batica
Minneapolis, MN

--- Sunny Walker <sunwalker at comcast.net> wrote:

> Wow, you go Charles!
> 
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>  
> Opening windows that fresh opportunities may revive
> us and our lives have meaning
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> [mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> Of Charles or Doris Hahn
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:33 PM
> To: Colleague Dialogue
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed}
> Re: {Spam?} Spong thePoliical Wonk
> 
> Hello All!
> 
> Let's forget the Hillary plan, neither attacking it
> or
> defending it.  That time is far behind us.  All the
> stitistical data as well as mountains of anecdotal
> evidence points to the failure of our current
> system.
> Forty eight million with no health
> insurance---18,000
> die annually because they cannot get adequate care. 
> Our nation would explode in outrage if that many
> Americans died in Iraq each year. WE are way down
> the
> list in life expectancy and way up the list in
> infant
> mortality.  We all know this.  We all must be
> focusing
> on what kind of plan we want to create today.  We
> need
> a comprehensive universal single payer health care
> plan.  Basically that is saying Medicare for all,
> but
> not the now discredited Medicare, Part D. This Part
> D
> plan is a farce designed to funnel hundreds of
> millions of frderal tax dollars annually into the
> coffers of the pharmaceutical and health insurance
> industries.  We want a plan that will cover all
> citizens just like Medicare covers our Elder
> citizens
> today except that it would include all needed
> prescription drugs.
> 
> I suggest reading two small books, AS SICK AS IT
> GETS,
> by Rudolph Mueller M.D. and BLEEDING THE PATIENT:
> the
> Consquences of Corporate Health Care,  by David
> Hammelstein M.D., Steffie Woolhandler M.D., M.P.H.
> and
> Ida Hellander M.D. 
> 
> It is time to insist that our politicians get
> serious
> about comprehensive Universal Health Care.  If other
> industrial countries can do it, so can we.
> 
> Perhaps you can tell I am passionate about this
> idea. 
> Upon retirement from pastoral ministry, I was the
> Administrator of the Indigent Health Care Program of
> Bastrop County, Texas for seven years.  We helped a
> lot of people, but hundreds more fell through the
> cracks with no place to turn.  Now I am working with
> a
> group called HCHP, Hoosiers for a Commonsense Health
> Plan, pushing for a comprehensive universal single
> payer helth plan for Indian, and we work with a
> group
> called Physicians for a National Health Plan ,
> working
> for the same thing nationally.
> 
> Please forgive the length of this,  but do not give
> up
> on Health Care for All, A Right, not a Privilege.
> 
> Charles Hahn
> 
> --- David Walters <walters at alaweb.com> wrote:
> 
> > It is embarrassing to know that I live in the only
> > industrial nation that does not provide each of
> its
> > citizen’s full access to comprehensive
> health
> > care. Even more embarrassing is listen to the
> > current  campaign and listen as health care comes
> > up. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > During the debate over the so-called Hillarycare
> > Plan, I bought a copy of her plan. Every time
> > someone came on TV and quoted a page number
> claiming
> > something as in the plan I would reach for my
> copy.
> > Each time I would read the entire page and even
> the
> > pages before and after the page cited and each
> time
> > I failed to find anything approaching what they
> had
> > said was in the plan. One thing I could never find
> > was a mention of criminal sanctions for anyone who
> > might try to seek care outside of the proposed
> > system 
> > 
> > I suppose it is easy for someone who invested his
> > adult life to drink the AMA Kool-Aid of the
> > physician -dominated-hospital-insurance
> > company-controlled-health-care system oppose any
> > attempt by Hillary or Ira Magaziner or John
> Edwards
> > or anyone else to transform the health care system
> > in our nation so that all of out citizens can
> > participate. 
> >  
> > It is also interesting to read that words of some
> > one who educated in and earned a comfortable
> living
> > in our present system to posit such silly
> > reductionistic statements in defense of a system
> to
> > which he owes so much. But is also disheartening
> to
> > hear such psycho-babbling from a colleague who
> > should know better. It certainly does not become
> one
> > who obviously knows what it means to act globally
> > and live locally to offer rightwing republican
> spin
> > to put down those who seek an alternative to our
> > present system.
> >  
> > 
> > It is embarrassing to know that I live in the only
> > industrial nation that does not provide each of
> its
> > citizen’s full access to comprehensive
> health
> > care. 
> >  
> > 
> > David Walters 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Spong quote:
> >   Her health care failure in the first Clinton
> > administration still draws fire, but the fact is
> > that when one places each individual proposal of
> > that health care plan before the public, it
> receives
> > majority approval. It is only when these proposals
> > are packaged together that people have problems.
> > That probably means that she was right, but too
> > early.
> > 
> > 
> >   This statement, I think, ignores portions of the
> > Hillary/Ira Magaziner plan that proposed
> significant
> > penalties  for anyone seeking care outside her
> > proposed health care system, and for any health
> care
> > provider (fines and jail) who treated patients
> > outside the government prescribed schedules, and
> for
> > seeking care from a physician of ones choice,
> rather
> > than the one assigned to you by the government.  I
> > am unaware of these provisions being endorsed by
> any
> > public opinion polls.  Do you think she, or any of
> > our congressional delegates would subject
> themselves
> > to these restrictions?  Certainly the proposals of
> > universal coverage, and care paid for with tax
> > dollars (someone else's), fare well in public
> > opinion polls.
> > 
> >   The fact is, in most countries that have
> > government paid health care, a second level 
> exists,
> > where people who do not want to wait, who want to
> 
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