[Dialogue] JWM as mystic

Mon Jun 4 15:53:27 EDT 2007

Hmmm . . .  I think there is a temptation to use a focus on spirit to escape what is going on and responsibility for it.  That is why we called it "The Other World in the midst of This World", I believe.

  so, depends what you point to with the word "mystic" -- atune to the spirit, willing to explore the depth of situations, calling people to what is really going on -- I could see that in Joe.

  preoccupied with personal salvation?  wanting to escape the realities of life for some other universe?  Well, I do that all the time.  My experience of Joe was that he pushed strongly against that kind of escape.

  In that springboard meeting in Denver, Jack Gilles played a little 15 minute clip from a combination of church history and church lecture by Joe and there was a part in there about not having to be preoccupied with personal salvation . . .  comes to mind on this topic.

  Has anyone else read Velvet Elvis?

"W. J." <synergi at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Wayne Nelson wrote: " As near as I can tell, he [JWM] avoided talking about mysticism entirely..."    
  Not true, according to my memory. Joe Mathews often talked about "the Achilles Heel of Mysticism." Then, with his voice rising in intensity, and pointing that index finger of his toward us, he would go on and on about how the otherworldly Mystics were escaping from responsibility of caring for all in the here and now. 

  How dramatic was that?

  Marshall

Wilson Priscilla <pwilson at teamtechinc.com> wrote:
  Wayne,   Well put...your insights always add to the discussion.
  Joe was very dramatic about the "here and now" and I hear him over my shoulder frequently.
  Priscilla Wilson

    On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:02 AM, Wayne Nelson wrote:

    He probably was - in his own way. He, however, would and did claim that his
  focus was on ontology rather than metaphysics. In his talk, The Recovery of
  the Other World called the transparency we experience as a "new
  metaphysics." He talked about it as grounded and transparent. It's
  interesting to read again. As near as I can tell, he avoided talking about
  mysticism entirely, because he wanted to make the point that life takes
  place in the here and now and as we live in the here and now, we sometimes
  see through to the profound.  One of Joe's gifts was the ability to conjure
  up powerful metaphors that helped us see through our own situations without
  losing track of where we are.

  \\/

  "LAURELCG at aol.com"  wrote:

    I've been thinking of John Cock and Darrel Walker's exchange (below) ever
  since it appeared, and haven't had time to comment, but want to now.  In my
  memory, there is no doubt that Joseph Wesley Mathews was a mystic.  How else
  could 
  he have experienced The Other World, and led us to also experience it?  Do you
  remember his lecture on the fire at the center of being?  The wonder of
  living that he evoked with those ridiculous TWEEU birds?  Remember the story
  of his 
  ecstasy at spending a whole day in a cuckoo clock shop in Switzerland?  If he
  hunts me down, I'll assure him not only was he a mystic, he also enabled
  others to be mystics.

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