[Dialogue] {Spam?} Re: JWM as mystic

[Thomas Morrison]

Hi everyone,

On one hand, I have got to confess that mysticism would be the last thing I would ever associate w/ EI or ICA or OE or Local Church Experiment.
On the other hand, spirituality, a sure sense of the Spirit, a determination to follow the Spirit where ever it might go--now all that I do identify w/ EI/ICA/OE/whatever.

Tom Morrison




----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Walters 
To: Colleague Dialogue
Sent: 6/5/2007 12:45:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] {Spam?} Re: JWM as mystic


During Summer Program in 70, I sat through all of JWM's lecture on the NRM chart. One day he got up and drew a diagram that looked like a molecular model from chemistry. In the outer ring was poverty,  chastity.meditation and prayer. In the middle was chastity, knowing, doing and contemplation. In the center ring was being. After he went through all of this he started talking about the gaps between the rings and the experience of moving through the gaps. when he through the gap to being I thougt he had some kind of mystical experience right before our eyes! At other times when he go off on one of his famous tangents and rail so vociferously against mysticism I always wondered if what he was trying to do was reapporpiate mysticism. I also heard him say that he had put himself to sleep many nights reading the works of the mystics. I have also wondered if he really railing so much against the mystics as he was against perverted understanding of mysticism.

David Walters   

I think there is a generational / historical thing going on here as well.  Lots of water gone under the bridge.  I was frightened when I took RS-1 and one of the teachers had a southern accent and was a baptist . . .  those times after WWII in 'middle America' were way different re:  ease with stuff.  

When we got into the new religious mode and other world, I was way out of my background and depth, and kind of following along.  I was also projecting on others "older and wiser" that they must know what they are doing, so I can just follow . . . The topic of mysticism did not come up much in Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) or around my aunts and uncles and grandparents . . .

LAURELCG at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 6/4/07 7:05:23
 AM, wnelson at ica-associates.ca writes:    . As near as I can tell, he avoided talking about  mysticism entirely, because he wanted to make the point that life takes  place in the here and now and as we live in the here and now, we sometimes  see through to the profound. >    Wayne,  Thanks for this.  Do you think St. John of the Cross or Teresa of Avila would   have said otherwise?  Jann    ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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