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Published on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 by CBS 4 Denver
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'Gitmo On The Platte' Set As Holding Cell For DNC
by Rick Sallinger
DENVER - CBS4 News has learned if mass arrests happen at the Democratic
Convention, those taken into custody will be jailed in a warehouse owned by
the City of Denver. Investigator Rick Sallinger discovered the location and
managed to get inside for a look.
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09The newly created lockup is on the northeast side of Denver.
Inside are dozens are metal cages. They are made out of chain link fence
material and topped by rolls of barbed wire.
"This is a secured environment," Capt. Frank Gale of the Denver Sheriff's
Department told CBS4. "We're concerned about how that's going to be utilized
by people who will be potentially disruptive."
In past conventions, mass arrests have taken place.
With Denver's jails already overflowing, new space had to be created and
officers trained.
Each of the fenced areas is about 5 yards by 5 yards and there is a lock on
the door. A sign on the wall reads "Warning! Electric stun devices used in
this facility."
CBS4 showed its video to leaders of groups that plan to demonstrate during
the convention.
"Very bare bones and very reminiscent of a political prisoner camp or a
concentration camp," said Zoe Williams of Code Pink.
Williams was one of those arrested at the Republican Convention in New York
in 2004.
"That's how you treat cattle," said Adam Jung of the group Tent State
University. "You showed the sign where it said stun gun in use and you just
change the word gun for bolt and it's a meat processing plant."
Gale would not discuss the facility at this time.
"We want to make sure we got our game plan set," he said, "We want to make
sure the entire procedure is laid out all the personnel know what they are
supposed to do."
The plans were to keep this lockup a secret, at least for now.
The American Civil Liberties Union says it will ask the City of Denver how
prisoners will get access to food and water, bathrooms, telephones, plus
medical care, and if there will be a place to meet with attorneys.
The protesters have already given this place a name: "Gitmo on the Platte."
C 2008 CBS Television Stations Inc
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54 Comments so far
1.
tailcap August 13th, 2008 12:58 pm
Protesters will be given government issued orange jumpsuits, held in
stress positions, forced to listen to loud death metal rock, forced to
endure sleep deprivation, denied food and water, prevented from seeing a
lawyer, and finally water boarded to ensure they aren't al Qaeda operatives.
Benches will be supplied for Democratic Party dignitaries who may
want to watch before they head out to their corporate cocktail parties,
dinners and shows.
2.
Jeffrey Courion <http://www.powerofstory.com> August 13th, 2008
12:58 pm
Nice photo of the inviting place where democacy is housed. I am also
happy to know our country is no longer regarded as free speech nation and
has been replaced by those fenced-off, remote and restricted "free speech
zones" in which those less than desireable "people of freedom" will be
herded as they try to prevent the lock-step march of folly from going forth.
3.
Wavestrider August 13th, 2008 1:04 pm
Brave New World, here we come.
4.
gnken1 August 13th, 2008 1:05 pm
Gee,
I wounder what the holding facility will be like at the RNC?
5.
sugersmacks August 13th, 2008 1:11 pm
Change (Chains) We Can Belive In.
6.
jlocke123 August 13th, 2008 1:16 pm
"Inside are dozens are metal cages. They are made out of chain link
fence material and topped by rolls of barbed wire."
Why do I get the impression that the US government puts more
planning into rounding up protesters than it puts into counting the votes
properly?
7.
jclientelle August 13th, 2008 1:37 pm
No no no - it's China that doesn't allow dissent. This must be in
Peking.
8.
mwb26810 August 13th, 2008 1:53 pm
"We want to make sure we got our game plan set . . . ."
It's been set for quite some time.
9.
Jim Glover August 13th, 2008 2:07 pm
It is getting down to the nitty gritty.
Rush and those who want McCain will be wanting riots in Denver.
Rush won't be arrested though. Just the "Real Left".
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
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10.
Quality Time August 13th, 2008 2:30 pm
McBush has won!
11.
Little Brother August 13th, 2008 2:39 pm
This article is so biased!
Why, there's no mention of the plans to serve lemon chicken and two
kinds of fruit!
Actually, THREE kinds of fruit, if you count the lemon in the
chicken!
Plus free electroshock therapy for the asking- it's making a
comeback, you know.
12.
Downwinder August 13th, 2008 2:40 pm
Where are the ovens?
13.
citizenblog <http://www.citizensnews.org> August 13th, 2008 2:44 pm
and AT&T logos?
14.
puckamok August 13th, 2008 2:47 pm
It looks like the same set up as Pier 57 during the 2004 RNC minus
the razor wire. I can imagine all the speeches at the DNC and RNC about
"freedom" while this is going on.
Will they squeeze 80 people in a single cage? If an organization
were to plan to hold hundreds of dogs in those cages, the Humane Society
would have to get involved.
Where will the arrested sit or sleep in the many hours they will
probably be held? Will the port-a-potties have hand washing stations? Are
there hazardous substances on the floor and in the air? What kind of
warehouse was this?
I guess it has always been unhealthy to practice free speech and
civil disobedience. Many around the world and here in the US are locked up
in less than humane conditions and subjected to all kinds of harm. This
stuff happens to people who have not even been convicted of anything.
Strength and healing to those heading to the streets of Denver! The
world we are working for has no need for places like this.
15.
jcrumb <http://www.crumbproducts.com> August 13th, 2008 2:53 pm
Tuck your lock picks and zip tie cutters into your clothing..as well
as mini cameras.and a remember.YOU PAID FOR ALL OF THIS!
16.
johnwyclif August 13th, 2008 3:05 pm
The photo doesn't show the part of the facility where the
incarcerated would be formally charged with anything.
I mean, if people are arrested and incarcerated, there are charges
of some kind.aren't there?
17.
jclientelle August 13th, 2008 3:14 pm
This is not exactly on point, but in New York City the government is
proposing to install systems that will record the license plate of every car
coming into the city on highway, tunnel or bridge. They will keep the
records for one month, they say. This is - ta da - to combat terrorism at
the site of the new World Trade Center, should that ever be completed. (For
those outside NY rebuilding the WTC has been mired in squabbles between the
property owners, the victims' families etc. - a disgusting clash between
greed and mourning.)
Obviously the program will yield a massive record of everyone's
habits and whereabouts that could be applied to any commercial or political
use. How it will prevent terrorism, it is hard for me to figure out. Who
could possibly look at the millions of photographic or digital records
produced every day in time to prevent anything? Who will figure out whether
Samir is driving in to his job in software support or to plant a bomb?
Remember, those who were driving the planes that attacked the WTC did not
care about being caught later, as they planned to die.
WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING though is that the local news interviewed
"people on the street" and every one of them said that they endorsed ANY
program or measure that would prevent a terrorist attack. I saw interviews
only with middle aged white males driving cars, so it was a strange
demographic for New York. My experience is that other groups would be more
skeptical of the motivation and efficacy of such a program.
How can we convince people that giving up the right to go about
one's business without Big Brother tracking everything is not necessary for
safety?
18.
safiyyah August 13th, 2008 3:21 pm
It's time to call the UnDemocratic Party out for having
responsiblity in the policing of their convention. We shouldn't allow them
to just hide behind the police, as it is their 'private event' (as the
police will claim it is), while they plan stun guns and cages for America's
patriotic dissidents.
After all, the police always say they are merely enforcing private
property rights when they publicly police these events. That was the claim
they had when they arrested 2 activists a few weeks back at the Colorado
State Dermocratic Party Convention.. for trespassing!
19.
matti August 13th, 2008 3:48 pm
I think it would be hilarious -and effective in getting media
attention- if the "protesters" would organize enough so that only ONE GUY
would get arrested.
Imagine the pictures of this whole, giant, Nazi prison warehouse,
and in the middle of it ONE GUY sitting "indian-style" on the floor calmly
humming to himself or something.
I know it won't happen because the "protesters" are not some kind of
monolithic group, but rather many different groups with many different
intentions.
But still it would be SO DAMNED FUNNY.
On a serious note, I urge all of those Citizens who are planning to
be "in the streets" during the Dem Convention to consider NOT practicing
law-breaking civil disobediance.
This kind of "arrest us then" action has been completely co-opted by
the Elite and their attack poodles, the Police. The TV and newspapers will
refer to the "violence" of it without noting that almost all the violence
was perpatrated by the Police. The Dem bigwigs inside will make short
speeches on the glories of our right to "free speech" and how that is "what
makes America (sic) great" while ignoring the treatment of those who attempt
to speak freely and the fact that "America" is hardly unique in allowing
dissent. A few people watching all of this at home on TV after their workday
may identify with the "protesters" being arrested, a few more may sympathize
and become uncomfortable with where things are going in this country, but
many more will wonder why the "protesters" went out of their way to get
arrested and cause trouble when the very next thing they see is footage of
peaceful rallies and speeches with the reporter saying ".at this gathering,
many activists say that those causing violence are only a small minority.".
To repeat:
THIS TACTIC IS NO LONGER EFFECTIVE AND SHOULD NOT BE EMPLOYED.
Have Fun,
-matti.
20.
matti August 13th, 2008 3:49 pm
Double post.
21.
USAn August 13th, 2008 3:52 pm
And this detention center looks just like the free speech zone
itself - at least the oneat the last convention in Boston. Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zones
22.
USAn August 13th, 2008 3:59 pm
matti,
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Even if we
participate in peaceful sit-ins in the street, the cops will STILL brutalize
us and the media will STILL portray us as being "violent". Been there done
that.
23.
cavedweller August 13th, 2008 4:00 pm
This is foreshadowing of what will be commonplace in the next few
years. The US is proving to the world that it has become a full-fledged
police state. Sieg heil!
24.
tarasa August 13th, 2008 4:30 pm
"They hate our freedoms." Gee, George W. was right after all!
Whoops, wrong country.
25.
Mister Chips August 13th, 2008 4:32 pm
No need to lecture demonstrators about the use of violent tactics.
That will be provided by government agents and provocateurs.
26.
Happy Days August 13th, 2008 4:35 pm
Eliminate everyone who is running this fake democracy now.
27.
USAn August 13th, 2008 4:41 pm
Actually, this is a worldwide trend, with China leading the way. I
believe we are moving into post democracy/post enlightenment era, where
those inaleanable human rights of Locke, Rouseau, and Jefferson, so tidily
summarized in the Bill of rights, will be rendered as quaint as the George
Mason's ruffed collar.
In place of human rights, only the rights of global finance - green
pieces of paper - more accurately, their electronic equivalants, and
corporatre personhood will be recognized. Humans will be free to sell their
labor and shop and consume the hight-tech equivalent of bread and circuses.
Most poeple I meet anymore, I-Pod in hand, wonder what the big deal is about
free speech - who cares? And the Fourth Amendment? Doesn't worrying about
being spied on mean you are guilty of something?
The only one they worry about is the Second Amendment - gotta have
that gun so you can do your patriotoc part, when the time comes, to clear
the country of official state enemies, poor people, and other undesirables.
28.
Richard Paine August 13th, 2008 4:47 pm
Law enforcement.private property rights..keep the lockup a
secret.free speech zones
oh yeah this is funny and if you're not laughing hard enough.stun
guns
who writes this stuff certainly not those who wrote the Constitution
but those who ignor or outright break with it
time to awaken or is this just so much fun that we have to see it
played out??????maybe sheeople is to much credit
29.
Samson <http://www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com> August 13th, 2008
5:11 pm
Uh, close USAn, but China is following the US. It was a bunch of US
companies that have been developing surveilence techs that sold them to
China for the games.
matti .. don't know where you've been sleeping the last decade or
so, but in NYC during the 2004 Rethug convention, all it took to be arrested
was to be standing peacefully on the wrong sidewalk. You don't have to be
either violent or committing any crime to be arrested. Or there's the 2000
Rethug convention where some organizers were arrested for walking down the
street talking on a cell phone and given million dollar bail amounts.
In NYC, I think some 2000 people were arrested. Many were never
charged. Many who were charged had their cases dropped if they didn't plead
guilty because the police had zero evidence of crimes being committed. I
think their overall conviction rate was like 2%, and that includes those who
pled guilty not to be tied up in a long court process.
30.
JBPM August 13th, 2008 5:18 pm
Now all they need to do is sell this to the American people as the
next generation of big box store, and folks will line up at midnight to be
incarcerated for the big Grand Opening! Sweet!
31.
JBPM August 13th, 2008 5:28 pm
"Actually, this is a worldwide trend, with China leading the way. I
believe we are moving into post democracy/post enlightenment era, where
those inaleanable human rights of Locke, Rouseau, and Jefferson, so tidily
summarized in the Bill of rights, will be rendered as quaint as the George
Mason's ruffed collar."
I saw this coming over a decade ago when the US gave the PRC Most
Favored Nation trade status under Clinton. The excuse given then was that
"free trade" would make China "free" like the US. And now, ten-plus years
later, our freedom does look the same as that experienced in China. Go
figure.
It also dawned on me last night as I was mowing the lawn (with my
push mower, no less!) that it was no coincidence that slavery was outlawed
at around the same time that the Industrial Revolution developed a good head
of steam. After all, who needs people you have to feed and clothe in
perpetuity when you can just tap an oil well and get the labor of thousands
of slaves in each barrel? Was the moral awakening that led to the abolition
of slavery genuine or was it merely an epiphenomenon of our discovery of
cheap fossil fuel energy? I'm afraid we are going to find out the answer to
that question as the 21st century unfolds.
32.
fakedemocracy August 13th, 2008 6:34 pm
FAKEDEMOCRACY
33.
Galen August 13th, 2008 7:14 pm
"George Orwell. Paging Mr. George Orwell."
"Will Mr. George Orwell please use the nearest Authority phone."
"George Orwell. Paging Mr. George Orwell."
34.
blueticket70 August 13th, 2008 7:38 pm
JBPM writes @ August 13th, 2008 5:28 pm
"I saw this coming over a decade ago when the US gave the PRC Most
Favored Nation trade status under Clinton. The excuse given then was that
"free trade" would make China "free" like the US. And now, ten-plus years
later, our freedom does look the same as that experienced in China. Go
figure."
With ya all the way, bro. This was the template cut for us under
Raygun (w/Poppy Bush, Cheney and Rummy just offstage), a gangster-capitalist
economy and a Stalinist state apparatus. China's "communist?" My a$$.
35.
Galen August 13th, 2008 8:25 pm
I wonder if the Halliburton/KBR camps will handle the overflow?
36.
Galen August 13th, 2008 8:32 pm
See the related CD article on the police denying a welfare recipient
civil rights group access to demonstrate near the Republican Party
convention.
37.
obonodori August 13th, 2008 8:36 pm
jlocke123.it all depends on what you call "proper". I suspect that
the folks who truly run this country think the vote counts are VERY proper!
38.
Galen August 13th, 2008 8:49 pm
. just wondering.will the guards at this 'holding facility' be armed
with Tasers?
39.
buminfl August 13th, 2008 8:56 pm
It's truly amazing that any one of our sanctimonious
"leaders" has the gall to describe the USA as "free" or "freedom loving."
All I can see is the noose of our police state slowly strangling free
expression of any kind.
With a compliant MSM pandering to the PTB, all Americans can get is a highly
distorted view of reality. The "free speech zones" are a violation of our
Constitutional right to seek redress of our grievances and are an
abomination in any country describing itself as "free."
40.
sjm30741 August 13th, 2008 9:00 pm
Our first concentration camp to go into operation - what an
accomplishment! Don't you know Uncle Dicky is PROUD!
41.
MargoMenconi August 13th, 2008 9:17 pm
They don't even get restrooms?!! How long do they plan to keep
people here? Are they supposed to sleep on the floor? How about brushing
your teeth; is that allowed?
This is terrible. Based on sanitation issues alone I think
protesters' lawyers (NLG, etc.) should be planning arguments against such
inhumane treatmen
42.
Galen August 13th, 2008 9:33 pm
Margo - Gee. Which would you rather do? Piss on the floor or be
water-boarded?
43.
tommytoons55 August 13th, 2008 9:59 pm
Zeig Heil! I wonder if this facility is by the railrail tracks for
the cattlecars to pick up the overflow? Yes, it does and NE Denver is right
where the railyards are at. That means the new Dachau must be near the
Kansas border!
44.
Tsunami August 13th, 2008 10:35 pm
Not to worry Blackwater USA, there will always be work created here
if you get kicked out of Iraq (and orher countries).
Uuummmmm, I wonder who built this prison, Halliburton? KBR?
It was reported sometime ago that prisons were being built around the
country in the guise of preparing for mass influxs of immigrants into this
country. Some of the "CLOSED" US airbases have been remodeled into prisons.
Word is some are already staffed.
With this present admin., we are not very far from BAGRAM in
Afghanistan, Abu GHRAIB in Iraq, or GUANTANAMO in CUBA, happening right here
in these United States.
45.
USAn August 14th, 2008 12:36 am
MargoMenconi,
Please spend some time researching the the abuse of protesters at
the 2000 RNC convention in Philadelphia. Protesters were held hog-tied
(right wrist handcuffed to left ankle) in cages for well over 24 hours in
severe pain. Many were forced to urinate in their pants.
There is NOTHING new about this - it has been going on since at
least Seattle in '99 - but back then you Bill Clinton-loving liberals were
all approving it, because it was just a bunch of dirty anarchists protesting
"free trade". Well, first they came for the anarchists, now they will come
for you.
46.
USAn August 14th, 2008 12:46 am
Samson,
The technology is beside the point, it is the politics. The age of
enlightenment never came to China - they are a profoundly undemocratic
state. So, China is well-positioned to provide the "good example" the
capitalist elites need to dismantle the always annoying principles of the
enlightenment.
Attacking China does not mean I'm defending the politics of the US.
Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
47.
Galen August 14th, 2008 12:54 am
USAn - Remember the innocent black lady who was just waiting for a
bus several blocks away from the 'Battle in Seattle' when she was jumped and
beaten to the ground by plain clothes police?
I guess she was guilty of being slightly affluent while black, or
being uppity or something.
And would anyone like to bet when the police finally get around to
checking out the background of the guy who gunned down the Dem party worker
in cold blood, he will be revealed to be a lifelong Repub and Rush Limbaugh
'ditto-head'?
48.
Thoughts_Into_Action August 14th, 2008 1:24 am
Defund the police. Talk to your city council and work to starve
local law enforcement of funds.
Which is worse: 1) an over-funded police force that doesn't follow
the Constitution and prepares to suppress speech with cages, or 2) a poorly
funded police force that only has the time and resources to address real
emergencies?
No donut. This is a bad cop situation before it gets bad.
A poster above is correct about the Dems needing to be told to ease
off on the oppression. Unfortunately, the Dems are behind the police swarm.
It was that way in full force at the 2000 DNC in Los Angeles, where cops
either equaled or outnumbered the protesters.
And all of this is being put in place to "defend" a prescripted
event where there will be no debate. Nice.
49.
AlexLawyer August 14th, 2008 2:09 am
I'm not sure being held in what wouldn't pass muster as an animal
shelter is any worse than the main attraction, seeing an erstwhile
progressive mutated into a neocon. Both will cause considerable distress to
anyone concerned about our country's-and the world's-future. Obama is still
far preferable to McCain, so I strongly support him, but with considerable
misgivings and reservations nowadays.
50.
newlight August 14th, 2008 4:48 am
As a CODEPINK convention attendee, I am one of those "protesters"
who might end up (pun intended) there. Wish me luck!
51.
jclientelle August 14th, 2008 9:05 am
These pens are in China, right?
Very strange how the news indulges in prolonged lamentations about
political repression in China. When I hear the reports about restrictions on
demonstrations, for example, they seem about the same as what we have here:
You must get written permission from police, you cannot move beyond a
certain restricted zone, you can be picked up and held without charges for
being in the wrong place at the wrong time etc. etc.
It is good for our national consciousness that one news station in
Denver published an image of what is planned. Or is it intended to scare
people away from protests?? Better plan some bathroom facilities for us
older protesters or else it will be a mess. BTW, some of are awaiting a
settlement of $15,000 or more (depending on injury) each for illegal arrest
during a New York protest. If we keep it up, it could be a good way to
supplement retirement!!!
What are the facilities like at the Republican Convention? Inquiring
minds want to know.
52.
Tara August 14th, 2008 10:04 am
Just another example of the U.S. Police State we now live in.
Anybody heard about the 24 hour curfew placed on a "drug"
neigborhood in Arkansas?
53.
Downwinder August 14th, 2008 11:48 am
jclientelle
I was thinking more about supplementing my $1,500.00 per month
prescription cost.
54.
Soeharto August 14th, 2008 11:55 am
The very idea that Democratic Party and their voters are any threat
to what is going on in the U.S. is laughable. So many people who post here
are confused, puffed up, impotent, and suffering from delusions of
relevance.
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