[Dialogue] Eight more years?

[W. J.]

Ralph Nader has a very high standard of personal integrity in the service of total identification with a Cause. But, alas, he is so ego-identified with "Being" the Cause that he has total myopia/blindness to the political effects of his role of charging ahead like a knight on a white horse, and damn the torpedoes! And damn the criticism! Which from the perspective of weighing the corporate political good of the nation looks like total stupidity. The guy went down with the liberal ship, skewing the political process by robbing Al Gore, taking a lot of well-intentioned but hopelessly naive liberal voters with him, and the nation with him as well.
  BTW we wouldn't have had Clinton #1 in 1992 but for Ross Perot doing the same thing to Bush #1.
   
  Marshall Jones
  

"Carlos R. Zervigon" <carlos at zervigon.com> wrote:
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  A few of my colleagues on this list serve were adamant about Nader. Some are no longer with us. It did not remove my appreciation for our friendship but it deeply pained me. I died a thousand deaths about Nader’s participation. All of those who want to blame Gore or who then said it made no difference should by now see that it made a horrible difference. I remember discussions way back in our time on the west side about the fallacy of maintaining some illusional personal integrity and in so doing letting the public good go to hell. Ralph Nader moved from being a committed public servant to being an egoistic maniac. He personally is responsible for the unbelievable disaster of the last eight years and that overshadows anything else he did. His life’s work was finally global tragedy. Those are harsh words but he is deserving of them. He has never admitted that he contributed to the Bush disaster. To me he is much worse than irrelevant
   
   
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  From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of KroegerD at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:24 PM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Eight more years?

   
    With all due respect, David, Al Gore lost the election on his own, unable to carry either Arkansas or Tennessee, either of which would have given him the votes regardless of the Florida outcome.  Do you believe that Hillary, (or the Clinton team) represents the highest and best hopes of the progressive movement.  I surely do not.

     

    Dick Kroeger 

     

    That said, what did you find to disagree with in Nader's piece?

     

      In a message dated 1/26/2008 4:48:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, walters at alaweb.com writes:

    "I have great respect and confidence in Mr. Nader's work and
thought." Dick Kroeger 


With all due respect to Dick, Ralph rantings as a third party
candidate in 2000  enabled the installation of George W bush as
President. If Ralph had not been in the race Gore would have won in
Florida and there would have been no need for a recount or a decision
of the uS Supreme Court. I have zero miunus none respect for Ralph. 
David Walters



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