[Dialogue] Eight more years? Or No One More Fun To Despise
Jim Baumbach
wtw0bl at new.rr.com
Sun Jan 27 14:59:13 EST 2008
From my understanding of the events of human history, America has never
been so blessed as to have Dubya as its "president" for 8 long and
grueling years. No one has had the balls to be so scandalously American
as this guy.
The history of America has been pockmarked with the most atrocious and
heinous of crimes against humanity. Starting with the genocide of the
Native Americans, the participation in wars throughout the 200+ years of
presence as a nation, the raping and pillaging of countries whose
resources lend themselves to fulfilling the American dream, Dubya has
surfaced like a fetid scum in a cesspool. He is not to blame for the
culture which spawned him, he is the culmination of all that is good or
bad about Americanism.
Did Gore win? In my mind he certainly did and I suspect that there
would never have been an event we so commonly refer to as "911." Does
it matter? Not really because we can't go back and change the outcome.
So we're stuck with the terrible reflection of ourselves in the Dubya
mirror. Where are the Biblical prophets when you need them?
Where is Jonah? Who can get across to Americans that their life style
is so gross that if everyone on the planet were to have it, it would
take the resources of at least 4 of 5 Earth-like planets to sustain it?
So did Ralph Nader screw up the works for Al Gore?--No doubt in my
mind! But who had the greater potential for changing American attitudes
and life style, Gore or Bush? Rubbing noses in the poop is a very
effective way of house breaking a dog, perhaps that is the only way
Americans will ever emerge beyond their despoiling of their own and
others habitat. Hooray for Dubya he's a damn nice guy! I just wish we
didn't have to martyr so many Iraqis and Afghans in the process.
Jim Baumbach
KroegerD at aol.com wrote:
> I beg to differ. Our government was built on the premise that the
> legislative branch, the closest to the people, could mitigate
> executive excess through legislation, and ultimately impeachment.
> Ralph Nader did nothing to cause our legislative leaders to fail in
> their duty to correct and remove the cancer that is the current
> administration. They approved the judges and cabinet , funded the
> war, continued to reauthorize the patriot act and other crimes against
> the people, and the beat goes on. And WE elected all of these people.
>
> It does not have to continue. Think very carefully about whom you
> support this time around. It really does matter.
>
> In a message dated 1/26/2008 10:21:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> carlos at zervigon.com writes:
>
> Hello all
>
>
>
> A few of my colleagues on this list serve were adamant about
> Nader. Some are no longer with us. It did not remove my
> appreciation for our friendship but it deeply pained me. I died a
> thousand deaths about Nader’s participation. All of those who want
> to blame Gore or who then said it made no difference should by now
> see that it made a horrible difference. I remember discussions way
> back in our time on the west side about the fallacy of maintaining
> some illusional personal integrity and in so doing letting the
> public good go to hell. Ralph Nader moved from being a committed
> public servant to being an egoistic maniac. He personally is
> responsible for the unbelievable disaster of the last eight years
> and that overshadows anything else he did. His life’s work was
> finally global tragedy. Those are harsh words but he is deserving
> of them. He has never admitted that he contributed to the Bush
> disaster. To me he is much worse than irrelevant
>
>
>
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>
> Carlos R. Zervigon, PMP
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> Zervigon International, Ltd.
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> 504 894-9868 Mobile: 504 908-0762
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> carlos at zervigon.com
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> http://www.zervigon.com
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> *KroegerD at aol.com
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> With all due respect, David, Al Gore lost the election on his own,
> unable to carry either Arkansas or Tennessee, either of which
> would have given him the votes regardless of the Florida outcome.
> Do you believe that Hillary, (or the Clinton team) represents the
> highest and best hopes of the progressive movement. I surely do not.
>
>
>
> Dick Kroeger
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>
>
> That said, what did you find to disagree with in Nader's piece?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/26/2008 4:48:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> walters at alaweb.com writes:
>
> "I have great respect and confidence in Mr. Nader's work and
> thought." Dick Kroeger
>
>
> With all due respect to Dick, Ralph rantings as a third party
> candidate in 2000 enabled the installation of George W bush as
> President. If Ralph had not been in the race Gore would have
> won in
> Florida and there would have been no need for a recount or a
> decision
> of the uS Supreme Court. I have zero miunus none respect for
> Ralph.
> David Walters
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