[Dialogue] [SPAM]Re: {Spam?} Re: Sirota Nails it here

Sun Jan 27 20:45:38 EST 2008

I concur with Cynthia given the present situation. Beware of Bloomberg. (My
first choice was Bill Richardson)

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Generosity-compassion-empathy-inclusion-hope-justice-global care

dick Kroeger

In a message dated 1/27/2008 5:13:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
facilitationfla at aol.com writes:

And which ones do you point to?? 

none fo the progressive values 

-----Original Message-----
From: KroegerD at aol.com
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sirota Nails it here

I did not see it as an attack at all, but an awakening to the cold hard
facts.  What a shame that at this time in history where a woman actually is
in the race, it has to be a woman who embodies virtually none fo the
progressive values we so desperately need in the white house.

Dick Kroeger

In a message dated 1/23/2008 9:25:04 P.M. Central Standard Time,
cdhahn at flash.net writes:

Dick, I am always eager to read anything you put on
the net.  But, I think this is the first time I have
been disappointed in the tenor or tone of the piece. 
Clinton is not currently my candidate, but she will be
if the convention designates her.  This author's
approach IS the politics of Hopelessness.  The
Republicans have been putting screaming attacks on
Hillary from the time Bill Clinton came to office. 
This guys screaming attack is of the same ilk, and it
does not serve the party nor whoever his personal
candidate is.  For me, Edwards has been the most
concrete in his proposals, the most passionate in his
concerns for the poor and dispossessed.  He does not
stoop to this kind of attack.  These are my thoughts. 
Thanks again for sharing with us.  I always wait with
bated breath for the next Spong article.
Charles

--- KroegerD at aol.com wrote:

> I hope that progressives will recognize what's
> really going on with the  
> Clinton campaign
>  
> Dick Kroeger
>  
>  
>   
> ____________________________________
>  From: Dick email
> To: FacilitationFla
> CC: DavThom at att.net,  KroegerD
> Sent: 1/23/2008 11:10:46 A.M. Central Standard Time
> Subj: My  point exactly
> 
> 
> 
>  
>     *   _The  Politics of Hopelessness_ 
>
(http://action.credomobile.com/sirota/2008/01/the_politics_of_hopelessness.h
tml)
> 
> "You were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at
>  Wal-Mart." - Barack 
> Obama to Hillary Clinton, 1/22/08 
> The _exchange_ 
>
(http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/debate.transcript/index.html)
>   lasted about 3 seconds - if you flipped the
> channel for a moment, 
> you might  have missed it. That was the amount of
> time the two leading 
> candidates for  the Democratic nomination for
> president spent talking about the 
> corporate  takeover of our government - the issue
> that almost singularly drives  
> American politics and that is at the core of our
> country's most fundamental  
> problems. 
> Clinton, of course, declined to address this part of
> her past -  the part 
> where she helped direct Wal-Mart, arguably the most
> efficiently  rapacious, 
> environmentally destructive, and anti-worker
> creation in all of  human history. She 
> cynically parried by mentioning a campaign
> contributor of  Obama's who has 
> been in some legal trouble - as if we are expected
> to forget  the name _Norman  
> Hsu_ 
>
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/26/hsu_raised_big_money_
for_clinton_supporters/)
> , much less Clinton's status as the _top  
> recipient of health industry cash in the entire 
> Congress_ 
>
(http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html)
>  - Republican or Democrat. And thanks to  
> moderator Wolf Blitzer, the debate was quickly
> shifted to topics less  
> uncomfortable for the corporate media like, say, how
> Barack Obama voted  "present" in one 
> half of one percent of his votes as a state
> legislator in  Illinois. The 
> horror. 
> Later in the debate, when John Edwards gave perhaps
> the most  eloquent answer 
> of all on a question about poverty, Clinton tried to
> one-up  everyone by 
> saying "when I graduated from law school, I didn't
> go to work  for a law firm. I 
> went to work for Marian Wright Edelman at the
> Children's  Defense Fund." Yes, 
> folks - forget about her time at Arkansas most
> powerful  corporate law firm. 
> Forget that she ignored potential
> conflicts-of-interest  to serve at that 
> corporate law firm even as her husband was governor
> of the  state. Forget her role 
> helping build Wal-Mart into the monster it is today.
>  Forget even her sitting 
> by and cheering as her husband's administration - 
> which she now overtly asks 
> voters to re-embrace with her candidacy - rammed 
> NAFTA and welfare reform 
> through Congress, throwing millions of people into 
> poverty. Yes, just remember 
> that for a few moments right out of college, she 
> worked at a non-profit.  
> This is truly the politics of hopelessness - a
> politics mastered  by a 
> Clinton machine deft in all the dark arts of
> corruption and  demagoguery.  
> It is a machine fueled by tens of millions of
> dollars of  corporate cash from 
> moneyed interests looking for the kind of _candidate
>  who appears on the 
> cover of Fortune magazine_ 
>
(http://www.american.com/graphics/2007/june/copy_of_hf.jpg)
>  and  _laughs at  workers_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBypp2hqxaQ)
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBypp2hqxaQ) >  ; 
> who were crushed by Clinton administration 
> policies.  
> It is a machine that is all too happy to champion a
> former  president who, 
> according to today's Wall Street Journal, is happy
> to  personally pocket _$20  
> million windfall from a well-connected  crony_ 
>
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120097424021905843.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)
> . 
> It is a machine headed by a candidate who pushed the
> country into  war, yet a 
> candidate happy to attack an opponent for not
> opposing the same  war more 
> strenuously.  
> It is a machine only too thrilled to use innuendo to
> _play  the race card_ 
> (http://www.boston.com/news/
>
nation/articles/2008/01/15/hillary_and_the_race_card/)
> . 
> It is a machine, in short, that is ready to once
> again prioritize  the 
> ugliest impulses of two dynasty-seeking egomaniacs
> using vapid  soundbites (_"I'm  a 
> hand's on leader"_ 
>
(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8tcMQCbWKZA&refer=home
> &sid=a8tcMQCbWKZA&refer=home)
> ) and intelligence-insulting slogans  (_"Delivering 
> Real 
> Change"_ 
>
(http://epaper.eurekareporter.com/article/080115-bill-clinton-in-eureka)
> ) to run _"over  the dead bodies"_ 
>
(http://www.creators.com/opinion/david-sirota/over-the-dead-bodies-again.htm
l)
>  of Americans hoping for something  
> different.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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