[Dialogue] For all you milk lovers

[George Holcombe]

Dear Don,
Thanks for the update on lgf- 101.  Since I don't use dairy the point  
is moot for me, but if I did, I don't think I'd like an increase of  
pus in my milk at the least.  I'm also a bit suspicious of what comes  
out later in such studies and why Monsanto puts the "quitetest" on  
such info. The USFDA does appear to have a grand bit of influence from  
the drug makers, having had several friends and relatives negatively  
effected by some of the meds hailed as saviors and later pulled off  
the market.  I remember reading similar papers written by scientists  
explaining the harmlessness or limits and even touting the virtues of  
various drugs or substances, which later turned out to be the  
reverse.  I would really recommend the reading of the China Study.  No  
offense intended.


George Holcombe
14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
Austin, TX 78728
Home: 512/252-2756
Mobile 512/294-5952
geowanda at earthlink.net


On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Don Elliott wrote:

> George, George, George,
>
> This igf-1, insulin like growth factor, is a protein which is  
> digested in the gut and has no biologic effect on the consumer when  
> taken by mouth.  You must know that diabetics that must take  
> insulin, require injections, because, like its cousin ilg-1, it is  
> digested like any other protein and has no effect if taken orally.   
> This concern about the ill effects of the igf-1 in milk does not  
> seem credible to me.
>
> Don
>
> This may help:
>  Igf-1 101
> IGF1, also known as somatomedin C, is polypeptide hormone about the  
> same size as insulin. It is produced predominantly in the liver in  
> response to growth hormone (GH) release from the pituitary gland.  
> Many of the growth promoting effects of GH are due to its ability to  
> release IGF1 from the liver. The conversion ratio of GH to IGF1  
> varies greatly in different individuals but most external sources of  
> GH convert around 4-6mcg of IGF per one I.U. of GH. IGF-1 acts on  
> several different tissues to enhance growth. IGF1 belongs in the  
> 'superfamily' of substances known as 'growth factors,' along with  
> epidermal (skin), transforming; platelet derived fibroblast, nerve,  
> and ciliary neurotrophic growth factors. None of the other factors  
> have any bearing on exoskeletal tissue incidentally however These  
> agents all have in common the ability to stimulate cell division,  
> known as mitogenesis, and cell differentiation. Meaning That In the  
> case of IGF1 which does act on muscle tissue it will initiate the  
> growth of new muscle fibers, and subsequently new receptors for  
> testosterone. Users have unanimously concluded that it enhances  
> cycles of steroids significantly. They also seem to be adamant about  
> its ability to reduce fat and improve vascularity a great deal.
> The IGF1 Hype
> There is a considerable amount of hype surrounding IGF1. Every one  
> is blaming the distended bellies of modern Bodybuilders on it. Also  
> the freaky proportions that old bodybuilders that have been around  
> for years are starting to attain. Anti-aging proponents are touting  
> it as the miracle cure for every thing from Parkinson's disease to  
> Alzheimer's. And the medical community has published numerous  
> articles on it for its ability to cause cancer, diabetes and  
> gigantism. While at the same time performing documented experiments  
> on thousands of patients of muscle wasting diseases. And reporting  
> significant turnabouts in there conditions. So what is a guy to  
> think about IGF1 as far as athletic enhancement is concerned? Well  
> first of all you need to know that most experiments conducted with  
> IGF1 do not list the type of IGF used. I have written Dr. Robert  
> Saline of the Swedish rejuvenation institute on several occasions  
> and we have had in-depth discussions on the subject of IGF1 for  
> physical appearance enhancement. He feels it would be unethical to  
> prescribe IGF1 to a bodybuilder to increase muscle mass simply due  
> to the fact that IGF1 has valid applications in the medical  
> community, (Like I could give a rats ass about "ethical"). He can  
> not argue that it is extremely effective as a promoter of muscle  
> growth far beyond what androgens (steroids) alone can offer. Well  
> fortunately in America IGF1 is not a drug (yet) and the FDA has no  
> control over it as of now. This will change in the very near future  
> however, Im absolutely sure of it.
> How to use IGF1
> Assuming that you have acquired legitimate IGF1 (R3) long chain,  
> That's IGF1 with the binding protein added. You should take dosages  
> ranging from 60mcg up to 120mcg per day in divided doses. One  
> injection in the morning and again at bed time. Never exceed 120mcg  
> in one day. IGF1 can cause serious gastrointestinal problems such as  
> tumors intestinal swelling diarrhea and vomiting. Most IGF1 comes in  
> a concentration of 1000mcg per ML or CC so it makes it easy to  
> measure in an insulin syringe. 10 IU on the syringe is 100mcg. Do  
> the math.
> IGF + Insulin
> If you plan on doing IGF1 with Insulin, listen closely IGF1 is not  
> that expensive, sure you can get away with using less by including  
> insulin in the stack, but IGF1 and Insulin together have a pro- 
> insulin effect on your blood sugar balance. It can enhance the  
> chances of a hypoglycemic episode ten fold. I would recommend  
> against it for any one not ABSOLUTLY comfortable with insulin or IGF1.
> Here is how insulin and IGF1 work together. Igfbp3 is the binding  
> protein, which allows IGF1 to remain active in the system for a long  
> enough period of time to really work its magic. IGF1 by nature has a  
> half-life of less than 10 minutes by its self. The molecule was so  
> small it would escape the blood stream very rapidly. This was the  
> reason IGF1 was so "underground". It took very frequent injections  
> at high dosages to achieve even minimal results. Aside from this  
> reconstituting the compound required a degree in biochemistry. This  
> short acting version was the only IGF1 known until recently IGF1  
> would have been administered in 100 mcg dosages 4-6 times a day.  
> That is a hell of a lot of IGF1. That explains a lot of the  
> distended bellies. Now with R3 long chain IGF1 and the Binding  
> protein IGFBP3 IGF1 will last up to 6 hours in the system. By  
> binding IGF to the IGFBP3 you make the molecule larger and it gets  
> trapped in the blood stream until the protein is broken down and the  
> IGF molecule escapes. You can further its life by combining Insulin  
> with it, although I hear it is very risky. Insulin prevents the  
> breakdown of IGFBP3 and leaves the IGF1 molecule roaming free in the  
> blood stream for longer periods of time up to 12 hours as insulin  
> levels return to normal IGFBP3 will begin to break down and the IGF1  
> will escape from its bound protein IGFBP3 again having a half life  
> of less than 10 minutes.
> Insulin should be taken at the normal dosage it is usually  
> administered at minus 10% about 45 minutes prior to the IGF1  
> infusion. Again let me remind you this can be deadly if you don't  
> know what you are doing. And of course do not use Insulin for the  
> nighttime injection of IGF1 by taking it in the morning you prolong  
> the IGF1's half life to 12 hours and then take a 6 hour injection,  
> you should be fine. Hell if you want to eat a big bowl of rice and  
> drink another 100g of simple carbs 45 minutes before the bed time  
> IGF1 infusion you could spike insulin for at least a few hours of  
> extended IGF1 activity. If your not going to be using insulin in the  
> stack then go ahead and do the same in the morning.
> What users report
> Users of IGF1 have reported various results but all along the same  
> lines, It does not appear to be dramatically less effective in any  
> one individual (at least not to the best of my knowledge). I have a  
> good friend who had to stop taking IGF1 due to stomach illness that  
> was completely unrelated But he to experienced good gains from it  
> for the 2 weeks he was on it, his dosage was 120mcg per day. One  
> hour after the first injection he went to the gym and immediately  
> told me about the uncontrollable pump he got from just one set.
> That would indicate to me that he was experiencing some form of cell  
> volumization. The general consensus on IGF1 seems to be that its  
> benefits are as fallow:
> Increased Pump Pumps are reported to be so severe that workouts are  
> often cut short due to lack of ability to the muscle through the  
> full range of motion...ouch
> Gains retention is increased if IGF is used in a cycle I am not sure  
> why, but IGF1 seems to make gains on a cycle stick with virtually no  
> post cycle loss. Every bodybuilder I've spoken with seems to think  
> this for some reason. Most of them use drugs like Anadrol or  
> Dianabol with it because of the amount of size attained with these  
> drugs. The usual draw back to these drugs is that in most users  
> there is a post cycle "crash" that occurs, so the reasoning is to  
> toss IGF1 into the stack and grow larger faster with out the post  
> cycle crash blues.
> Reverses testicular atrophy
> Testicles if shrunken will return to "full swing" so to speak even  
> in the middle of a cycle. If not shrunken they will not shrink  
> during the cycle. This may explain partially why gains are kept  
> after the cycle.
> Fatigue
> Users report feeling drained and tired all day. This seems to be one  
> of the negative side effects to IGF1, it will make you sleep longer  
> and you will require more sleep at night to feel rested for the  
> morning. This is common with high doses of HGH and exhibited in  
> children, whose IGF1 levels are extraordinarily high. A child needs  
> 4 hours more sleep than an adult on average. This may be directly or  
> indirectly related to IGF1 levels.
> Stiffness
> An almost arthritic feeling is commonly associated with high levels  
> of HGH, well IGF1 has the exact same property. IGF1 will cause your  
> hands, fingers and knuckles to ache this is one way you can be sure  
> you got real IGF1.
> IGF-1's Side effects
> Every thing has a down side. To bake a cake ya gotta break an egg.  
> IGF1 is no exception. The drug used in larger quantity around the  
> 100mcg+ range will cause headaches, occasional nausea and can  
> contribute to low blood sugar or hypoglycemia in some users.  
> Although I have never heard of this first hand I'm sure its true.
> IGF1 will attach its self to the lining of the intestine and cause  
> hypertrophy of the gut. Every thing IGF1 touches will grow and you  
> have a lot of receptors on the lining of the large intestine and  
> inner wall of the abdominal well. This is what causes the GH gut  
> look. You can easily avoid this by limiting your dosages and cycle  
> lengths. IGF1 cycles should be kept to 4-6 weeks with 4-6 weeks off  
> in-between. IGF-1 is considerably more powerful than HGH and you  
> need to think of it along those lines as far as dosing goes. We all  
> know what too much HGH can do over prolonged periods of usage. The  
> Neanderthal look is definitely not going to win any shows this year.  
> I would recommend 80 mcg a day for 4 weeks at a time you should get  
> good results from that for a while. I don't know if you will need to  
> up the dosage at any point, but I would think in the case of IGF1 it  
> wouldn't matter. If 80mcg doesn't do it for you, then bump it up to  
> 100 You should definitely feel it at this point If not suspect the  
> IGF1 as being fake. Beyond 120 mcg per day your asking for trouble,  
> This compound demands as much respect as its sister amino Insulin.
> __________________
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Holcombe <geowanda at earthlink.net>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>; ICA LIST SERVE <dialogue at wedgeblade.net 
> >
> Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 3:23 pm
> Subject: [Dialogue] For all you milk lovers
>
> This might interest those who are health conscious and use milk.   
> It's a statement by a former US FDA employee.  Hopefully this has  
> not spread to other countries.
>
> http://www.seedsofdeception.com/GMFree/rBGHinDairyProducts/index.cfm
>
> A very good book to read on food is The China Study (the most  
> Comprehensive Study of Nutrition Every Conducted) by T. Colin  
> Campbell, PhD, you can get it on Amazon.
>
> George Holcombe
> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
> Austin, TX 78728
> Home: 512/252-2756
> Mobile 512/294-5952
> geowanda at earthlink.net
>
>
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