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Published on Thursday, June 5, 2008 by Reuters
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Iraq Lawmakers Want US Forces Out As Part of Deal
WASHINGTON - A majority of the Iraqi parliament has written to Congress
rejecting a long-term security deal with Washington if it is not linked to a
requirement that U.S. forces leave, a U.S. lawmaker said on Wednesday.
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Rep. William Delahunt, a Massachusetts Democrat and Iraq war opponent,
released excerpts from a letter he was handed by Iraqi parliamentarians
laying down conditions for the security pact that the Bush administration
seeks with Iraq.
The proposed pact has become increasingly controversial in Iraq, where there
have been protests against it. It has also drawn criticism from Democrats on
the presidential election campaign trail in the United States, who say
President George W. Bush is trying to dictate war policy after he leaves
office.
"The majority of Iraqi representatives strongly reject any
military-security, economic, commercial, agricultural, investment or
political agreement with the United States that is not linked to clear
mechanisms that obligate the occupying American military forces to fully
withdraw from Iraq," the letter to the leaders of Congress said.
The signatures represented just over half the membership of Iraq's
parliament, said Delahunt, a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee chairman.
Two Iraqi lawmakers whose parties were listed as signatories testified to
Delahunt's panel on Wednesday that U.S. troops should leave Iraq, and that
talks on the long-term security pact should be postponed until after they
are gone.
"What are the threats that require U.S. forces to be there?" asked Nadeem
Al-Jaberi, a co-founder of the al-Fadhila Shi'ite political party, speaking
through a translator.
"I would like to inform you, there are no threats on Iraq. We are capable of
solving our own problems," he declared. He favored a quick pullout of U.S.
forces, which invaded the country in 2003 and currently number around
155,000.
A Sunni Iraqi lawmaker, Khalaf Al-Ulayyan, founder of the National Dialogue
Council, said bilateral talks on a long-term security deal should be shelved
until American troops leave - and until there is a new government in
Washington.
"We prefer to delay until there is a new administration in the United
States," he said. The United States elects a new president in November;
Democrat Barack Obama, who clinched his party's nomination this week, is
among senators sponsoring a bill requiring any long-term pact with Iraq be
submitted to Congress for approval.
A senior U.S. official said in Baghdad earlier this week that the United
States still hopes to reach a new security agreement with Iraq by July, even
though officials in the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki say
negotiations are at an early stage.
(Editing by Cynthia Osterman)
C 2008 Reuters
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25 Comments so far
1.
WmC June 5th, 2008 9:21 am
"A majority of the Iraqi parliament has written to Congress
rejecting a long-term security deal with Washington if it is not linked to a
requirement that U.S. forces leave, a U.S. lawmaker said on Wednesday."
Oh, those poor deluded ragheads, assuming that they-or the US
Congress-will have any say in the matter whatsoever.
Not to mention the fact that they display no gratitude for our
success in bringing them peace, democracy, sanitation, electricity and clean
water.
2.
tlcs_3 June 5th, 2008 10:06 am
So the only people who want us to stay in Iraq are.? Bush, Cheney,
and Co, Inc?
Why?
Halliburton
Blackwater
KBR
ExxonMobile, etal
Dubai will be having lots of ex-administrators to stay at their luxury
hotels as they follow Halliburton there!
3.
CanadatoImperium June 5th, 2008 10:43 am
The key factoid here seems to be that the Iraqi government wants a
security deal with United States. What is being negotiated (at a preliminary
stage) is the structure or composition of the security deal.
4.
averla June 5th, 2008 10:53 am
I did watch the Iraqis' testimony, and the opening comments of the
local Mideast "expert."
The subcommittee present was very small, chaired by Delahunt (D-MA).
Ron Paul and Dana Rorbacher were present; and the Chair seated guest
members, Republicans from AZ, GA, & Carolina.
They had a hard time adjusting to this answer: (paraphrased)
"Violence has not decreased with Bush's 'surge.' The militias'
purpose and justification is to end the occupation. When the American troops
leave, these militias will disband. .. We require a time line for
withdrawal, in order to defuse them immediately."
And this one:
"Your attack removed one bad man-Sadam-and brought us hundreds
more."
And this one:
"This proposal will be un-constitutional without legislative
approval." [just as bi-lateral and other treaties require Senate approval
here]
You'll have to go to a mainstream source, I'm sure, like Code Pink,
to get all the details.
The expert, speaking alone with the Chair when the hearing
reconvened an hour later, said he had been thinking.and now it was clear to
him that these two represented the "have-not" Sunni & Shia; while Maliki and
the rest represented the "haves." And since the haves benefit from the
occupation, there is lots of pressure for it to continue. Surprise!
5.
andersdl June 5th, 2008 11:31 am
Now that McClone said the US will stay in Iraq for 100 years, The US
will lose face if it leaves any sooner.
Life is good.for the military industrial media complex.
6.
Mike Corbeil June 5th, 2008 12:38 pm
" WmC June 5th, 2008 9:21 am
.
Oh, those poor deluded ragheads, assuming that they-or the US
Congress-will have any say in the matter whatsoever.
."
MORE DISINFO, heh?
Of course Congress has a say; just like it's always been the group
or political U.S. body most strongly supporting the continuation of the
criminal war of aggression on Iraq, by always providing or authorizing more,
including considerably more, funding than the Bush-Cheney cabal demanded,
f.e.; and the fact that Congress that has always and despotically chosen or
voted to not adhere to its war-related authority, instead allowing the
Bush-Cheney cabal to rein in hell on Earth. Just like this causes me to
perceive the Congress as even more guilty than the Bush-Cheney cabal, for
Congress has always had the authority to stop this criminal war as of the
second it was launched, or to have killed any threat of it ever being
launched, like as of Fall 2002, when it was already obvious that the
Bush-Cheney cabal were lying their souls away, trading them to The Evil One,
aka Satan, in exchange for material wealth and delusional notions of power.
It was obvious enough that the authorization of Oct. 2002 was based on BS.
Hence, there's no need to contribute to covering up these facts and
there's therefore no justification for pretending that the Congress has no
power with the executive branch. It's right there in the U.S. Constitution,
all the power that is needed being already set in "stone". Congress has been
busy trying to polish that stone to the point that the wording enscribed is
no longer legible.
The Congress and Senate combined or duo are worse than the front
actors, Bush et al; as hellishly criminal as they are. But the Congress is
the body that provided the Oct. 2002 authorization, and it was unjustifiable
as of then, while it became subsequently and concretely nullified before the
launching of the invasion and war; nullified because the requirements or
contingencies had all been met by Saddam Hussein and the UNSC refused to
authorize the invasion, while the U.S. Constitution makes these
international laws the supreme law of the land of the USA.
So ..
7.
Mike Corbeil June 5th, 2008 12:45 pm
" CanadatoImperium June 5th, 2008 10:43 am
The key factoid here seems to be that the Iraqi government wants a
security deal with United States. What is being negotiated (at a preliminary
stage) is the structure or composition of the security deal."
WE COULD AGREE on that, but from a, perhaps, different perspective,
and it's like the article clarifies; being that the sane and true Iraqis
correctly state that Iraq's not in danger from other countries, while
additionally inferring that the U.S. is (also correctly, justifiably)
perceived as a major security threat there. With such Iraqis and others with
such perception, I agree; in full.
=============================
" andersdl June 5th, 2008 11:31 am
Now that McClone said the US will stay in Iraq for 100 years, The US
will lose face if it leaves any sooner.
Life is good.for the military industrial media complex."
UPDATE: McCain diminished that 100 years he first stated and to
maybe 50 years, while I believe that he more recently reduced it further, or
rephrased, instead saying that the U.S. would be there for only as long as
the circumstances require; and that easily could mean open-ended, no short
timeframe.
Yep, the MIC gluttons are pigging out; them, and surely bankers and
others who invest for profits from wars. Plenty of members of the Congress,
and surely also the Senate, included.
8.
webwalk June 5th, 2008 1:07 pm
i look forward with eager anticipation to this important news being
the lead story in the NYT and on all major news networks. umm. well.
9.
william street June 5th, 2008 2:37 pm
The United States opposes submitting any new security proposal to a
referendum vote of the purple fingered Iraqi people. A majority of the
elected members of the Iraqi parliament oppose the security proposal.
Moktada's huge Shiite faction vehemently opposes it, and the centrist
Sistani appears to prefer kicking this can down the road until after both
Iraq's regional elections and the US presidential election this fall. Even
Maliki himself is publicly posturing (at the moment) in opposition to the
planned agreement.
Thus, only George Bush, John McCain, and the other pro-war,
pro-occupation politicians in the United States, and only the Iraqi
politicians who are totally beholden to US backing to retain their own
tenuous hold upon political power, favor signing the proposed agreement - a
pact that would institutionalize a 50-base American military presence of
indefinite duration, further granting our occupation forces control of Iraqi
air space, a free hand to arrest, detain, or kill anyone occupation troops
considered a "terrorist", and recognizing immunity from Iraqi domestic
criminal laws whenever shit happens.
Whether it's in Florida or Ohio, Basra or Baghdad, Gaza or Beruit,
George Bush and his GOP militarist enablers preach how they believe in
popular democracy but ignore and sabotage it at every turn.
Bill from Saginaw
10.
forextrader June 5th, 2008 2:48 pm
Looks like McWarcriminal's dream of staying in Iraq forever and a
day is taking shape.
11.
John C June 5th, 2008 4:09 pm
"Oh, those poor deluded ragheads, assuming that they-or the US
Congress-will have any say in the matter whatsoever."
Don't underestimate the latent power of those "rag heads". Don't
liken them to our Congress. With time, patience, and their religious
zealotry, they will finally have the last word, beleve me. And the longer we
stay there, the harsher will be that last word. It is indeed ironic that our
government will not listen to its own people, but will one day respond to
the words of its enemies - which will be "get out or be driven out" - just
as in Vietnam and North Korea.
12.
lizard June 5th, 2008 6:04 pm
The blame should first rest squarely on the american people, then
congress, then the president and finally the elites that corrupt congress.
Too many people have this upside down: the people are blameless, the
congress is powerless, the president is a puppet, and the corporations are
to blame.
13.
blessthebeasts June 5th, 2008 6:22 pm
I agree with lizard. The majority of the U.S. population have gone
along with this administration like a bunch of sheep. We "fringey" types
will continue to be ignored.
14.
rumiluv June 5th, 2008 6:49 pm
I think these human beings that we have so maltreated & killed have
the capacity to separate the average American from the crime family. But,
they have to wonder why we let it happen. The Bushies, no matter how much
they might have liked to, have had nothing like the power Nazis gained in
Germany. So, Americans are more to blame than the "good Germans".
Therefore, it is necessary that Obama (if the world can weather the
next 7 months) to seek reconciliation through forgiveness. Kucinich had long
called for withdrawal/reparations ala Tutu & Mandela(&, yeah, oh well let's
eliminate the neoliberal crap forced on S.Africa.) I think Obama is up to
this mentality; but, if he falters we must protest in millions, like at the
great march on Washington in 11/69, wh/i was lucky enough to have
experienced; & follow up protests (not to mention Presidents have always
needed to be pushed by social movements.}
All of the movement people must acceralate their efforts. the great
thing there is someone who is inclined to listen to them.
15.
Poet June 5th, 2008 8:29 pm
Ooo, I just got a tought. Why don't all the countries of the world
just invoke the Rafael Correa solution for the American Military personnel
stationed there.
In case you forgot or never heard, Correa will not be renewing the
lease on the US air base facility in Equador. When asked what conditions
would lead him to reconsider he replied,"well maybe if the US allowed a
similarly sized Equadoran facility outside of Miami, he might think that
offer over.
So Iraqi legislators here is the deal: You tell Bushco that if they
will allow 155,000 Iraqi armed forces (with a corresponding number of
"private contractors" to boot and an embassy in Washington DC the size of
the Mall of America/Disney World theme park currently being rushed to
completion in Bhagdad, then, okay, no problemo!
Japan, Korea, Italy, Spain, and Germany, are you listening? This
could be a source of world political stabilization and economic
stabilization too-(after all what else are you going to do with all that
worthless paper you have been buying from us for all these decades?)
16.
sung425 June 5th, 2008 8:51 pm
Yeah, US out of Humboldt County, too.
17.
rocyahsoul <http://lamegame.name> June 5th, 2008 9:15 pm
I have a feeling Iraqi politics is about to turn bloody with
assassinations. The opposing Iraqi Parliamentarians numbering just over half
of the parliament. It seems the easy way to get that percentage under half
is assassinations. It might take just 1 or 2 plus a bit higher bribe
investment. It's great that the pentagram insiders (the pentagon) have not
been able to reign in the Iraqi elected officials by blackmail alone. which
is what is so heavily relied on here in the homeland of the Empire.
18.
Outside the Loop June 5th, 2008 10:25 pm
Treaties are the law of the land, but presidential agreements are
not. Treaties require Senate ratification. Will the Democrats cave in once
again? Nonetheless, agreements made under threat of force cannot be
enforced, so the Iraqis will not need to keep any agreement forced on them
by Cheney and Bush.
19.
Doom n Gloom June 5th, 2008 11:17 pm
What a lunatary freeking mess. Somebody pulleeeeesseee call Loraina
Bobbit. Bush needs a job singing contralto in the Crawford Baptist eunich
choir.
20.
JH June 5th, 2008 11:51 pm
I seem to recall in the lead-up to the war that W promised us that
if they asked us to leave, we would go. This sounds like they're begging us
to go. We should go.
21.
tailcap June 6th, 2008 1:11 am
Now, what a preposterous thought, the US leaving Iraq without first
extracting all the oil. Not even Obama is in favor of that one. What the
hell are they thinking? To a Sunni Iraqi lawmaker: It's not about Iraq
solving its problems. It's the oil stupid!
22.
mbruton June 6th, 2008 1:35 am
How dare they use the democracy we imposed on them to represent the
will of their filthy people. I guess we'll just have to liberate the crap
out of them until they learn how to be "free" properly.
23.
peacekeepertwo June 6th, 2008 6:54 am
June 06
Iraq Lawmakers Want US Forces Out As Part of Deal - CommonDreams.org
I am wondering if any of the presidential Candidates, including Senator June
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Iraq Lawmakers Want US Forces Out As Part of Deal - CommonDreams.org
I am wondering if any of the presidential Candidates, including Senator June
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Iraq Lawmakers Want US Forces Out As Part of Deal - CommonDreams.org
I am wondering if any of the presidential Candidates, including Senator
24.
Botcha June 6th, 2008 7:56 am
We should have simply left in 2006, say, but the US taxpayers have
been hijacked and forced to endure too much economic damage now. We must
control the Iraqi oil income for lots of good reasons as well as for our own
repayment.
25.
Samson <http://www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com> June 6th, 2008 4:51
pm
For the record, Sen. Obama has been saying only that this needs
Senate approval (like any treaty under the Constitution btw). As far as I
can find, I have not seen any statements by Mr. Obama that he opposes this
agreement.
Since Sen. Obama has been steadily saying that he'll keep tens of
thousands of troops in Iraq (at least) until the end of his first term in
2012, he'd need some agreement like this. Its either that or an extension of
the UN Sec Council resolutions that expire later this summer. Those two are
the only courses to have even a legal fig leaf for keeping an army in
another country.
Regarding the comment on oil, Sen. Obama has always been promoting a
'benchmark' that an 'oil law' be passed. One of the key features of this oil
law is that it puts Iraqi oil in the hands of the big oil companies.
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