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Published on Thursday, June 19, 2008 by The Washington Times
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Cheney Linked To Torture Tactics
by Tom Ramstack
A former military officer who served as chief of staff to former Secretary
of State Colin Powell on Wednesday said Vice President Dick Cheney probably
knew the U.S. military was using torture on Iraqi detainees at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba, and at prisons in Iraq.
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07Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson's testimony before a House panel followed
revelations this week that detainees were subjected to beatings and other
aggressive interrogation techniques with the authorization of government
attorneys.
"At what level did American leadership fail?" Col. Wilkerson said during a
hearing before the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution, civil
rights and civil liberties. "I believe it failed at the highest levels of
the Pentagon, in the Vice President's Office and perhaps even in the Oval
Office."
Painful interrogation techniques were apparently authorized in a Feb. 7,
2002, order signed by President Bush that also said al Qaeda and Taliban
detainees were not to be considered prisoners of war. The order was based on
a legal memo from the White House counsel's office.
Prisoner-of-war status is supposed to protect captives from torture under
the Geneva Conventions.
After they received the president's order, Pentagon officials compiled a
list of interrogation techniques that later were used on detainees at the
Abu Ghraib prison, Guantanamo and elsewhere, according to documents released
by the Senate Armed Services Committee this week. The documents state that
CIA agents contributed to the plan to use the aggressive interrogation
techniques.
During an Oct. 2, 2002, meeting with military and intelligence officials at
Guantanamo, the documents state that CIA counterterrorism lawyer Jonathan
Fredman said torture "is basically subject to perception." He also
reportedly said, "If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong."
Col. Wilkerson said, "The president may have been ignorant of the worst
parts of the failure."
Douglas Feith, one of the government attorneys suspected of contributing
legal advice for the Defense Department's authorization of aggressive
interrogation techniques, had notified the committee he would not appear at
the hearing Wednesday.
Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, New York Democrat, said Mr. Feith, a
former undersecretary of defense for policy, would be compelled to testify
later.
"Mr. Feith's unwillingness to attend voluntarily and provide the truth about
this government's actions shows a fundamental disrespect for Congress and
the American people," Mr. Nadler said.
He also said the military's use of so-called waterboarding, beatings and
putting prisoners in painful "stress positions" appears to be "more
widespread and the legal justifications more flimsy than have been initially
reported. Evidence also appears to be mounting that officials at the highest
levels of this administration may have been directly involved to a far
greater extent and far earlier in the process than had been previously
represented to Congress and to the American people."
Waterboarding refers to putting a cloth over a restrained person's mouth and
nose, then pouring water over them to give them the sensation of drowning.
Daniel Levin, former acting assistant attorney general, testified that he
contributed legal advice on torture to the Bush administration, but that he
told high-level officials that it was unjustified under international law.
C 2008 The Washington Times
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27 Comments so far
1.
Arvy June 19th, 2008 11:36 am
All members of the US military had better understand that their
country has effectively deprived them of all protections of the Geneva
Conventions by violating its most fundamental provisions. If I were in their
shoes, I'd be very PO'd about that.
2.
claudius June 19th, 2008 11:48 am
"Mr. Feith's unwillingness to attend voluntarily and provide the
truth about this government's actions shows a fundamental disrespect for
Congress and the American people." Nice smokescreen Mr. Nadler. You are just
as complicit and guilty too.
3.
george w. bush June 19th, 2008 11:48 am
Next the Democrats in Congress will claim they were tortured by the
administration into continuing the funding for their criminal war of
aggression.
4.
citizenblog <http://www.citizensnews.org> June 19th, 2008 12:12 pm
How many more revelations are needed before the total collapse of
all semblance of authority for governing by the two main parties? What will
be the trigger? The lying about the reasons for going to war?
5.
Barn Burner June 19th, 2008 12:28 pm
I don't live in the United States anymore so those of you who do I
have a question. When you meet with friends do you ever discuss the politics
of this war, torture, the state of the people in Iraq or any of this "messy"
stuff? I mean, does anyone, outside the few liberal blogs on the Internet
give a shit about Whats going on in these committees?
6.
claudius June 19th, 2008 12:35 pm
Barn Burner,
Roughly half of my friends do one of three things. They either
overlook this stuff. Or they do not want to talk about it. Or they are
hypnotized by the Corporate Media and tend to put all of their stock in
listening to Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, and other corporate mouthpieces.
The other half is much more engaged, loves to discuss this stuff,
and read anything they can about the illegal occupation, war crimes, etc. I
am still working on trying to convert the first half.
7.
buffalo_ken <http://www.peoplesproclamation.com/> June 19th, 2008
12:49 pm
No.say it isn't so..Cheney knew about this stuff? Oh, oh..oh.
8.
jcrumb <http://www.crumbproducts.com> June 19th, 2008 12:59 pm
IT'S TORTURE JUST TO READ THE HEADLINES EVERY DAY.OF COURSE HE'LL
GET AWAY WITH IT..DUHHH.THESE KINDS OF FOREGONE CONCLUSIONS ARE BECOMING
QUITE EASY TO MAKE THESE DAY'S.I WONDER WHAT THE VEGAS "ODDS" ARE THAT
ANYONE OF THESE CRIMINALS WILL EVER EVEN FACE A REAL PUBLIC EXPOSE' OF THEIR
ACTIONS?
INVETERATE GAMBLERS WILL GAMBLE ON TWO COCKROACHES RUNNING UP A WALL.SO
THERE HAVE GOT TO BE "ODDS"..AT ANY RATE.ANGRY AS USUAL..AT THE HYPOCRISY OF
THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER..I SAY..STOP PAYING FOR IT.AND MAYBE THEY'LL
LISTEN.BUT I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO FIRST.SO THERE REALLY IS...NO HOPE.DAMN!
WHAT A DRAG..GUESS I SHOULD FOCUS MY ENERGY ON MY POST APOCALYPTIC DUNE
BUGGY ARMY.SOMEONE WILL NEED TO FIGHT OFF THE GIANT POST NUKE INSECTS THAT
ARE SURE TO ROAM THE WASTELANDS.BECAUSE THERE WILL BE GIANT INSECTS.YOU CAN
BET ON THAT.MAYBE THERE WILL BE BUSINES OPPORTUNITY IN THAT? HUP! THE FUTURE
LOOKS BETTER AN BETTER ALL THE TIME.I COULD HAVE MY OWN LITTLE.UHHH..CABLE
HOGUE KIND OF INSECT PARTS STAND BETWEEN GILA AND DEAD DOG.ON THE DUNEBUGGY
ROUTE.SWEET..I AM A HAPPY MAN!
THE FUTURES SO BRIGHT..I GOTTA WEAR SHADES.
LIVE FREE OR DIE.STOP PAYING FOR YOUR OWN DESTRUCTION.
SEE YOU IN THE TRENCHES.MAYBE.YOUR CELL PHONE WON'T WORK THERE.
9.
dmac June 19th, 2008 1:01 pm
Half of me thinks George Bush is a war criminal, the other half
thinks he's a moron. Could he be our first Hybrid president?
10.
buffalo_ken <http://www.peoplesproclamation.com/> June 19th, 2008
1:08 pm
yeah, for sure, and normally hybrids lead to unforseen
problems...lets keep it natural..if natural hybrids show up then great, but
I think bush, cheney, rice, and the rest are very "unnatural". Just my
opinion.
plus, JCRUMB, work on the cartoon - you have all the material. Why
are you wasting you time here?
I say this (or at least I am trying to) say it in a respectful way
because I've worked through your posts and basically I think I agree.
Peace,
Ken
11.
sung425 June 19th, 2008 1:16 pm
The single reason why absolutely NOTHING will be done to force Mr
Feith to testify: American / Isreali Dual Citizens Running the American
Government
Attorney General - Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff (Former) - "Scooter" Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick
Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) - John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President - Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State - Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President - Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director - Ken Melman
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. - Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families -
Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs -
Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter - David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) - Ari Fleischer
Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce - Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management - Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute - Ruth Davis
12.
lwhunt330 June 19th, 2008 1:19 pm
NOW can we impeach these bastards or bring them to trial??? How much
more evidence do we really need?? These criminals that we have been calling
our leaders should be very afraid to travel in other countries who might
arrest them onsite for their international crimes. There is no 2002
Presidential directive, legal defense arguement, or Presidential pardon that
could protect any of them if this happens. I certainly hope it does.
13.
wilmoor June 19th, 2008 1:20 pm
Barn Burner - I talk to everyone I know about what's going on. Some
prefer to keep their heads in the sand - or some other dark place - but the
others are slowly realizing I'm not a nut job.
JCrumb - do wish I could read what you write, because I believe
everyone has something to say, but just looking at your message makes my
eyes go bonkers. Maybe it's the repaired retina and my fake lens.
14.
lwhunt330 June 19th, 2008 1:22 pm
Have you noticed how only MSNBC is covering any of this? Is Keith
Olberman the only one who has enough courage to say that this country is run
by war criminals? The mainstream media once again is not serving the country
and is hiding these awful truths. They have been doing it for seven years
and they are still hiding these things every day.
15.
annabelle June 19th, 2008 1:25 pm
I thought it meant contempt of court if one failed to appear after
being summoned and contempt of court meant jail time. There evidently isn't
law of the land for the republicans. How convenient!
16.
lwhunt330 June 19th, 2008 1:29 pm
We should be writing daily to CBS, ABC, and yes, even FOX to demand
that they cover this information and not continue to remain silent when it
is evident that our leaders are war criminals. All of these stations have
web-sites and buildings that can be picketed. I think that these types of
demonstrations can be much more effective than standing in city parks
holding candels, or having demonstrations where only those of us who are
against this illegitamate war come, and giving speaches to each other.
17.
Doom n Gloom June 19th, 2008 1:44 pm
sung425 you are so right..American/israeli dual citizens have
infiltrated the highest levels of the government and media. NPR is little
more than National Jewish Radio so even the public airwaves are polluted.
The United States interests are little served by their support of Israel or
American Jews whose primary allegiance is to Israel. Many have refused to
listen or view the American/Israeli corporate media. Perhaps an economic
boycott of Jewish businesses is in order as well. Discover who these Jewish
Likudnicks are and boycott their firms and businesses. It's important also
not to harm those American Jews whose beliefs are not aligned with Zionism
and the Likud.
18.
canuckchuck June 19th, 2008 1:46 pm
"Prisoner-of-war status is supposed to protect captives from torture
under the Geneva Conventions."
Actually, 'Simple Human Decency' is supposed to prevent the torture
of captives.
The UN Convention Against Torture and Article 55 of the UN Charter
are supposed to protect EVERYONE from torture.
POW status is supposed to prevent even the ITTERROGATION of POWs
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
19.
canuckchuck June 19th, 2008 1:47 pm
Doug Firth AKA "The Dumbest Man Alive"
20.
hazmat June 19th, 2008 2:03 pm
sung425, do phillip zelikow's and larry silverstein's names properly
belong on that list?
21.
frank1569 June 19th, 2008 2:09 pm
If Feith has nothing to hide, he would have nothing to fear - isn't
that what his fellow GOPathological travelers are always saying?
On a side note, we now know, again, what "we've" been doing with/to
"illegal enemy combatants," so what are "we" doing with the "legal enemy
combatants?" Do we have POW camps set up in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Or is everyone who opposes Cheney/Bush anywhere at anytime now
simply an illegal enemy combatant?
22.
NancyH June 19th, 2008 2:32 pm
At least 25 detainees have died (been murdered) in captivity by
means of torture or outright killing. Many more are still 'disappeared',
perhaps dead, at the many secret military sights unknown as yet. Who knows
how many were innocent persons caught up in this god awful mess? Only 8% of
captives are probably guilty of being Al Qaeda. But because these pricks
(Cheney, Bush and their supporters)don't have any use for Habeaus Corpus
they're no better than the worst of the worst. What a shamefully disgusting
legacy.
23.
lisa3210peace June 19th, 2008 2:49 pm
NancyH; exactly? w/ glee are they endited for these crimes, as
opposed to the litany of el disapeared hundreds, thousands?
And the torture is done w/ coca cola not water through funnels down
receiving nostril, while on LSD and while being viciocusly beaten.
Slapped? By a 230 lb Nazi thug? I mean American Hero?
I am so Ashamed.
Peace
24.
Old Jeffersonian June 19th, 2008 2:51 pm
Impeachment is not meant to be an absolute last ditch
end-of-the-line effort to stop a crook. Impeachment was written into the
Constitution to be used on any government official who violated the public
trust. It is a relatively simple process regardless of the office. It is
like a Grand Jury. Here is the evidence, is there enough to bring the person
to trial? If yes, remand for trial. If not, acquit.
Doesn't require billions and years. If lay members of We the People
can come up with a long list of high crimes and misdemeanors, the alleged
House of Representatives should have no trouble. Kucinich has come up with
well written and well researched articles of impeachment for both Cheney and
Bush. The actions of the Legislative "leadership" in consigning these
documents into the limbo of Conyers' Judiciary Committee should be an
impeachable offense also.
Impeachment should be an excellent way to cut the rot out of our
government at all levels, but unfortunately, instead of We the People having
the say, it is up to the bought and paid for legislature to do it, and they
are obviously not going to do anything that will ruffle the feathers in
their own nests.
I think we are rapidly approaching the point that Thomas Jefferson
made so well when he said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time
to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
The tree of liberty looks awfully droopy to me these days.
25.
redstatelefty June 19th, 2008 2:51 pm
frank1569 - ask the guy who was handcuffed and arrested in front of
his young son for telling Cheney his policies are despicable.
26.
TheLorax June 19th, 2008 3:01 pm
Just like bush, Cheney has been given walking papers by the
Congress. He can say "So?", laugh at the American people, attack Iran, wipe
his feet on the Constitution, lie, or do any manner of crimes without
reproach. Nancy Pelosi will block any impeachment proceedings regardless.
So with regards to torture, Cheney can just laugh and say "So?" while M.C.
Hammer sings "Can't Touch This" in the background.
27.
Jim Glover June 19th, 2008 3:55 pm
From reliable Secret Service sources... Bush and Cheney's last
conversation:
Cheney: "HO HO they are already blaming the Jews for what we
ordered."
Bush: "The age old plan hasn't failed yet and if we end up in court,
they can't touch us for doing what God told me to do."
Cheney: "What do you mean 'We?'"
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