[Dialogue] Fine editorial
John Cock
jpc2025 at triad.rr.com
Sun Mar 9 13:04:47 EDT 2008
Amen! to a fine editorial, Diann. Thanks.
But believe there is and will be more villainous, depraved, and vicious
stuff coming than just slurs about racism, sexism, religionism,
Christianity-ism, USA-ism, military-industry-ism, party-ism, and
my-candidate-ism. Hate, divisiveness, and profiteering can't wait to get out
of the box -- with campaign permission -- and go crazy.
Is this sort of evil potentially in all of us? Nah! Sounds like hard-core,
die-hard, fundamental sin to me.
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[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:11 PM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
Nicholas Kristof says what I had wanted to say:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th
<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th&emc=th> &emc=th
--Diann McCabe
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From: McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Fri 3/7/2008 1:57 PM
To: Diann McCabe
Subject: FW: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
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From: Karl Hess <khess at apk.net>
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
Diann,
"Enlighten" is part of the problem. In my view a big part. If you read
"The Political Brain" by Drew Westen, you will see that there is abundant
data showing that people make up their reasons to support their prejudices.
Ben Franklin said it well, "So convenient a thing it is to be a rational
creature, since it enables us to find or make a reason for everything one
has a mind to." The guy who wrote "What's the Matter with Kansas" thought
the way most liberals have thought for the last 40 years and that's why the
Republicans have won most of the presidential elections. Obama gets it. I
don't think Hilary does.
I've read several books on neuropsychology recently and they all find the
same phenomenon. In fact one neuroeconomist found that the standard
"rational man" assumed by economists only applies to autistic people.
That's why the so many economics Nobels lately have gone to people who have
been disproving traditional economics assumptions. Economics turns out to
be a philosophy pretending to be a science. "Adam's Fallacy" is also a good
read.
The people who "put this stuff out" are using the fear 'frame' to win
elections. If we continue to assume voters are going to be rational, they
will continue to win elections.
Karl
Yes, it's disturbing that whoever is putting out this stuff assumes that a
"Muslim" is someone to be feared and loathed. We have much work to do to
enlighten people about how we as "Christians" have many, many connections to
the Islamic faith.--Diann
On 3/6/08 1:29 PM, "facilitationfla at aol.com" <facilitationfla at aol.com>
wrote:
Thanks, Del,
Yes, this is disgusting. Another paper (similar to National Enquirer) had a
front page headline last month: "Obama's hidden ties to Al Queda". Last
week -- again on the front page it had a photo of a grizzled white guy with
the headline, "I slept with Obama". I went to the Publix store manager and
told him he shouldn't be selling such trash in our community.
Cynthia
This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a chance to
send it on until now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are clearly not true,
yet still spread, often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is hiding his
Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns
his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, he took his
Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in
the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America."
2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a child in
Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to
live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to
live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last year by the Associated
Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it is a public and
secular institution and has been open to students of all faiths since before
Obama attended in the late 1960s.
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From: Del Morrill <del at hypnocenter.com>
To: Order Ecumenical <OE at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 1:56 pm
Subject: Fact Check re: Obama
This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a chance to
send it on until now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are clearly not true,
yet still spread, often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is hiding his
Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns
his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, he took his
Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in
the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America."
2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a child in
Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to
live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to
live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last year by the Associated
Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it is a public and
secular institution and has been open to students of all faiths since before
Obama attended in the late 1960s.
(from the Associated Press)
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