[Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Richard Alton
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Sun Mar 9 22:09:13 EDT 2008
Margaret, you must be right! The only problem with Jim is that he is not in a church! Dick
Richard H.T. Alton
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Don't let the fear of striking out hold you back
Babe Ruth
From: aiseayew at netins.net
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:06:59 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Jim, surely you did not say that. Some one of
those fundamentally sinful people John mentioned commandeered your computer,
right?
I just finished a four meeting strategic planning
with my smallest congregation. There are only fifteen members. We
met with never more than seven at a session through blizzards, ice storms,
blizzards and frigid cold. Only one member (and myself) were at every
session. Ten of the fifteen were there for at least one session.
They struggled with vision, but they really got into the contradictions and
concluded that they were not out to declare the Word with every activity of the
church and that they had not embraced the new challenges of their
diversity. This was in adddition to confessing that they were tired and
skeptical of a plan that might demand more than they had left to
offer.
I could talk about the authenticity of this process
and struggle for hours. I couldn't be more proud. We decided on two
new events, a regular study that will last six weeks starting after
Easter and two Family Fun Saturday afternoons that will reach out to the
whole neighborhood. We'll evaluate in six months and see where we
are. That they managed to move off the dime is miraculous. That the
church has been their sustenance for centuries, that they are still sustaining
it and waiting, willingly praying is equally miraculous.
The journey to Jerusalem never ends. We are
once again on our way to Jerusalem and I have been asking for most of a lifetime
of myself and others if we were ready, truly ready for the crucifixion. This
last week I was so sick with the flu and trying to take a relationship to
Lazarus' story that it felt like a mighty intervention of the father
himself and his question has been, Are we ready for the
resurrection?
----- Original Message -----
From:
James Wiegel
To: Colleague Dialogue
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:30
PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fine
editorial
too bad the local church / galaxy strategy did not work.
There would be ecclesiolas in every "cigar box with a steeple" at every cross
roads and local caring people all across the country would have access
to a deeper formation in what is going on than seems currently available
re: depth study, reflection, conversation, etc.
John
Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
Amen! to a fine editorial, Diann. Thanks.
But believe there is and will be more villainous,
depraved, and vicious stuff coming than just slurs about racism,
sexism, religionism, Christianity-ism, USA-ism, military-industry-ism,
party-ism, and my-candidate-ism. Hate, divisiveness, and
profiteering can't wait to get out of the box -- with
campaign permission -- and go crazy.
Is this sort of evil potentially in all of us? Nah! Sounds
like hard-core, die-hard, fundamental sin to
me.
From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann
A
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:11 PM
To:
dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re:
Obama
Nicholas Kristof says
what I had wanted to say:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th&emc=th
--Diann McCabe
From: McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Fri
3/7/2008 1:57 PM
To: Diann McCabe
Subject: FW:
[Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
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From: Karl
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:45:53
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Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check
re: Obama
Diann,
"Enlighten" is part of the problem. In
my view a big part. If you read "The Political Brain" by Drew Westen,
you will see that there is abundant data showing that people make up
their reasons to support their prejudices. Ben Franklin said
it well, "So convenient a thing it is to be a rational
creature, since it enables us to find or make a reason for everything one
has a mind to." The guy who wrote "What's the Matter with Kansas"
thought the way most liberals have thought for the last 40 years and that's
why the Republicans have won most of the presidential elections. Obama
gets it. I don't think Hilary does.
I've read several books on
neuropsychology recently and they all find the same phenomenon. In
fact one neuroeconomist found that the standard "rational man" assumed by
economists only applies to autistic people. That's why the so many
economics Nobels lately have gone to people who have been disproving
traditional economics assumptions. Economics turns out to be a
philosophy pretending to be a science. "Adam's Fallacy" is also a good
read.
The people who "put this stuff out" are using the fear 'frame'
to win elections. If we continue to assume voters are going to be
rational, they will continue to win
elections.
Karl
Yes, it's disturbing that whoever is putting out
this stuff assumes that a "Muslim" is someone to be feared and loathed.
We have much work to do to enlighten people about how we as
"Christians" have many, many connections to the Islamic
faith.--Diann
On 3/6/08 1:29 PM, "facilitationfla at aol.com"
<facilitationfla at aol.com> wrote:
Thanks, Del,
Yes, this is disgusting.
Another paper (similar to National Enquirer) had a front page
headline last month: "Obama's hidden ties to Al Queda". Last week
-- again on the front page it had a photo of a grizzled white guy with
the headline, "I slept with Obama". I went to the Publix store
manager and told him he shouldn't be selling such trash in our
community.
Cynthia
This appeared in the newspaper February 28.
I just hadn't had a chance to send it on until
now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and
allegations about Barack Obama are clearly not true, yet still spread,
often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail
circulating widely suggests he is hiding his Islamic roots. It
says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns his back on
the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, he took his
Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever
I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America."
2. Another false
report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a child in Jakarta.
Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to
live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was
10 to live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last year
by the Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that
it is a public and secular institution and has been open to students
of all faiths since before Obama attended in the late 1960s.
-----Original Message-----
From:
Del Morrill <del at hypnocenter.com>
To: Order Ecumenical
<OE at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 1:56 pm
Subject:
Fact Check re: Obama
This appeared in the newspaper February 28.
I just hadn't had a chance to send it on until
now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and
allegations about Barack Obama are clearly not true, yet still spread,
often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail
circulating widely suggests he is hiding his Islamic roots. It
says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns his back on the
flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, he took his Senate
oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in the
United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America."
2. Another false report says he
attended a Muslim madrassa as a child in Jakarta. Obama was born
in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to live with his mother
and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his
maternal grandparents. Interviews last year by the Associated
Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it is a public and
secular institution and has been open to students of all faiths since
before Obama attended in the late 1960s.
(from
the Associated Press)
Del Hunter Morrill
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Ave
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