[Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Wilson Priscilla
pwilson at teamtechinc.com
Mon Mar 10 10:57:20 EDT 2008
ala Niebuhr...I would say that I am in a "church" today. We claim to
be mission church on Mission Road...and we work to fulfill that
claim. Plus we are pushing to put a theological base under that. We
are fortunate to be where we are.
Priscilla Wilson
On Mar 10, 2008, at 7:58 AM, R Williams wrote:
> Where do we find the "church" (ala Niebuhr) today? It is seems not
> to be, with some noteworthy exceptions, the cigar boxes with
> steeples, and I am "in a church" to use Dick's words. Randy
>
> Richard Alton <dick_alton at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Margaret, you must be right! The only problem with Jim is that he
> is not in a church! Dick
>
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> 'building global bridges' 166 N. Humphrey Ave, Apt, 1N Oak Park, IL
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> of striking out hold you back Babe Ruth
>
> From: aiseayew at netins.net
> To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:06:59 -0500
> Subject: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
>
> Jim, surely you did not say that. Some one of those fundamentally
> sinful people John mentioned commandeered your computer, right?
>
> I just finished a four meeting strategic planning with my smallest
> congregation. There are only fifteen members. We met with never
> more than seven at a session through blizzards, ice storms,
> blizzards and frigid cold. Only one member (and myself) were at
> every session. Ten of the fifteen were there for at least one
> session. They struggled with vision, but they really got into the
> contradictions and concluded that they were not out to declare the
> Word with every activity of the church and that they had not
> embraced the new challenges of their diversity. This was in
> adddition to confessing that they were tired and skeptical of a
> plan that might demand more than they had left to offer.
>
> I could talk about the authenticity of this process and struggle
> for hours. I couldn't be more proud. We decided on two new
> events, a regular study that will last six weeks starting after
> Easter and two Family Fun Saturday afternoons that will reach out
> to the whole neighborhood. We'll evaluate in six months and see
> where we are. That they managed to move off the dime is
> miraculous. That the church has been their sustenance for
> centuries, that they are still sustaining it and waiting, willingly
> praying is equally miraculous.
>
> The journey to Jerusalem never ends. We are once again on our way
> to Jerusalem and I have been asking for most of a lifetime of
> myself and others if we were ready, truly ready for the
> crucifixion. This last week I was so sick with the flu and trying
> to take a relationship to Lazarus' story that it felt like a mighty
> intervention of the father himself and his question has been, Are
> we ready for the resurrection?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Wiegel
> To: Colleague Dialogue
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fine editorial
>
> too bad the local church / galaxy strategy did not work. There
> would be ecclesiolas in every "cigar box with a steeple" at every
> cross roads and local caring people all across the country would
> have access to a deeper formation in what is going on than seems
> currently available re: depth study, reflection, conversation, etc.
>
> John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> Amen! to a fine editorial, Diann. Thanks.
>
> But believe there is and will be more villainous, depraved, and
> vicious stuff coming than just slurs about racism, sexism,
> religionism, Christianity-ism, USA-ism, military-industry-ism,
> party-ism, and my-candidate-ism. Hate, divisiveness, and
> profiteering can't wait to get out of the box -- with campaign
> permission -- and go crazy.
>
> Is this sort of evil potentially in all of us? Nah! Sounds like
> hard-core, die-hard, fundamental sin to me.
>
> From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue-
> bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann A
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
>
> Nicholas Kristof says what I had wanted to say:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th&emc=th
>
>
> --Diann McCabe
> From: McCabe, Diann A
> Sent: Fri 3/7/2008 1:57 PM
> To: Diann McCabe
> Subject: FW: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
>
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Karl Hess <khess at apk.net>
> Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0500
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
>
> Diann,
>
> "Enlighten" is part of the problem. In my view a big part. If you
> read "The Political Brain" by Drew Westen, you will see that there
> is abundant data showing that people make up their reasons to
> support their prejudices. Ben Franklin said it well, "So convenient
> a thing it is to be a rational creature, since it enables us to
> find or make a reason for everything one has a mind to." The guy
> who wrote "What's the Matter with Kansas" thought the way most
> liberals have thought for the last 40 years and that's why the
> Republicans have won most of the presidential elections. Obama
> gets it. I don't think Hilary does.
>
> I've read several books on neuropsychology recently and they all
> find the same phenomenon. In fact one neuroeconomist found that
> the standard "rational man" assumed by economists only applies to
> autistic people. That's why the so many economics Nobels lately
> have gone to people who have been disproving traditional economics
> assumptions. Economics turns out to be a philosophy pretending to
> be a science. "Adam's Fallacy" is also a good read.
>
> The people who "put this stuff out" are using the fear 'frame' to
> win elections. If we continue to assume voters are going to be
> rational, they will continue to win elections.
>
> Karl
>
> Yes, it's disturbing that whoever is putting out this stuff assumes
> that a "Muslim" is someone to be feared and loathed. We have much
> work to do to enlighten people about how we as "Christians" have
> many, many connections to the Islamic faith.--Diann
>
>
> On 3/6/08 1:29 PM, "facilitationfla at aol.com"
> <facilitationfla at aol.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Del,
> Yes, this is disgusting. Another paper (similar to National
> Enquirer) had a front page headline last month: "Obama's hidden
> ties to Al Queda". Last week -- again on the front page it had a
> photo of a grizzled white guy with the headline, "I slept with
> Obama". I went to the Publix store manager and told him he
> shouldn't be selling such trash in our community.
> Cynthia
> This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a
> chance to send it on until now.
>
> FACT CHECK
>
> Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are clearly
> not true, yet still spread, often anonymously.
>
> 1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is
> hiding his Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on
> the Quran and turns his back on the flag during the Pledge of
> Allegiance. Actually, he took his Senate oath with his hand on a
> family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in the United States
> Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of
> America."
>
> 2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a
> child in Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia
> when he was 6 to live with his mother and stepfather. He returned
> to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.
> Interviews last year by the Associated Press at the elementary
> school in Jakarta found that it is a public and secular institution
> and has been open to students of all faiths since before Obama
> attended in the late 1960s.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Del Morrill <del at hypnocenter.com>
> To: Order Ecumenical <OE at wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 1:56 pm
> Subject: Fact Check re: Obama
>
> This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a
> chance to send it on until now.
>
> FACT CHECK
>
> Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are clearly
> not true, yet still spread, often anonymously.
>
> 1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is
> hiding his Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on
> the Quran and turns his back on the flag during the Pledge of
> Allegiance. Actually, he took his Senate oath with his hand on a
> family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in the United States
> Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of
> America."
>
> 2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a
> child in Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia
> when he was 6 to live with his mother and stepfather. He returned
> to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.
> Interviews last year by the Associated Press at the elementary
> school in Jakarta found that it is a public and secular institution
> and has been open to students of all faiths since before Obama
> attended in the late
> 1960s. (from
> the Associated Press)
>
>
>
> Del Hunter Morrill
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> (Mahatma Gandhi)
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