[Dialogue] Once in a while an individual's life experience reveals our shared humanity
Hampton, Stuart
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Mon Mar 10 14:12:56 EDT 2008
I was moved by this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23538741/
Cheers,
Stuart
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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of R Williams
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:58 AM
To: Colleague Dialogue
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Where do we find the "church" (ala Niebuhr) today? It is seems not to
be, with some noteworthy exceptions, the cigar boxes with steeples, and
I am "in a church" to use Dick's words. Randy
Richard Alton <dick_alton at hotmail.com> wrote:
Margaret, you must be right! The only problem with Jim is that he is not
in a church! Dick
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From: aiseayew at netins.net
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:06:59 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Jim, surely you did not say that. Some one of those fundamentally
sinful people John mentioned commandeered your computer, right?
I just finished a four meeting strategic planning with my smallest
congregation. There are only fifteen members. We met with never more
than seven at a session through blizzards, ice storms, blizzards and
frigid cold. Only one member (and myself) were at every session. Ten
of the fifteen were there for at least one session. They struggled with
vision, but they really got into the contradictions and concluded that
they were not out to declare the Word with every activity of the church
and that they had not embraced the new challenges of their diversity.
This was in adddition to confessing that they were tired and skeptical
of a plan that might demand more than they had left to offer.
I could talk about the authenticity of this process and struggle for
hours. I couldn't be more proud. We decided on two new events, a
regular study that will last six weeks starting after Easter and two
Family Fun Saturday afternoons that will reach out to the whole
neighborhood. We'll evaluate in six months and see where we are. That
they managed to move off the dime is miraculous. That the church has
been their sustenance for centuries, that they are still sustaining it
and waiting, willingly praying is equally miraculous.
The journey to Jerusalem never ends. We are once again on our way to
Jerusalem and I have been asking for most of a lifetime of myself and
others if we were ready, truly ready for the crucifixion. This last week
I was so sick with the flu and trying to take a relationship to Lazarus'
story that it felt like a mighty intervention of the father himself and
his question has been, Are we ready for the resurrection?
----- Original Message -----
From: James Wiegel <mailto:jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
To: Colleague Dialogue <mailto:dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fine editorial
too bad the local church / galaxy strategy did not work. There
would be ecclesiolas in every "cigar box with a steeple" at every cross
roads and local caring people all across the country would have access
to a deeper formation in what is going on than seems currently available
re: depth study, reflection, conversation, etc.
John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
Amen! to a fine editorial, Diann. Thanks.
But believe there is and will be more villainous, depraved, and
vicious stuff coming than just slurs about racism, sexism, religionism,
Christianity-ism, USA-ism, military-industry-ism, party-ism, and
my-candidate-ism. Hate, divisiveness, and profiteering can't wait to get
out of the box -- with campaign permission -- and go crazy.
Is this sort of evil potentially in all of us? Nah! Sounds like
hard-core, die-hard, fundamental sin to me.
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[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:11 PM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
Nicholas Kristof says what I had wanted to say:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th&emc=th
--Diann McCabe
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From: McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Fri 3/7/2008 1:57 PM
To: Diann McCabe
Subject: FW: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
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From: Karl Hess <khess at apk.net>
Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0500
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
Diann,
"Enlighten" is part of the problem. In my view a big part. If
you read "The Political Brain" by Drew Westen, you will see that there
is abundant data showing that people make up their reasons to support
their prejudices. Ben Franklin said it well, "So convenient a thing it
is to be a rational creature, since it enables us to find or make a
reason for everything one has a mind to." The guy who wrote "What's the
Matter with Kansas" thought the way most liberals have thought for the
last 40 years and that's why the Republicans have won most of the
presidential elections. Obama gets it. I don't think Hilary does.
I've read several books on neuropsychology recently and they all
find the same phenomenon. In fact one neuroeconomist found that the
standard "rational man" assumed by economists only applies to autistic
people. That's why the so many economics Nobels lately have gone to
people who have been disproving traditional economics assumptions.
Economics turns out to be a philosophy pretending to be a science.
"Adam's Fallacy" is also a good read.
The people who "put this stuff out" are using the fear 'frame'
to win elections. If we continue to assume voters are going to be
rational, they will continue to win elections.
Karl
Yes, it's disturbing that whoever is putting out this stuff
assumes that a "Muslim" is someone to be feared and loathed. We have
much work to do to enlighten people about how we as "Christians" have
many, many connections to the Islamic faith.--Diann
On 3/6/08 1:29 PM, "facilitationfla at aol.com"
<facilitationfla at aol.com> wrote:
Thanks, Del,
Yes, this is disgusting. Another paper (similar to National
Enquirer) had a front page headline last month: "Obama's hidden ties to
Al Queda". Last week -- again on the front page it had a photo of a
grizzled white guy with the headline, "I slept with Obama". I went to
the Publix store manager and told him he shouldn't be selling such trash
in our community.
Cynthia
This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a
chance to send it on until now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are
clearly not true, yet still spread, often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is
hiding his Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the
Quran and turns his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.
Actually, he took his Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and
he says, "Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America."
2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a
child in Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when
he was 6 to live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii
when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last
year by the Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found
that it is a public and secular institution and has been open to
students of all faiths since before Obama attended in the late 1960s.
-----Original Message-----
From: Del Morrill <del at hypnocenter.com>
To: Order Ecumenical <OE at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 1:56 pm
Subject: Fact Check re: Obama
This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a
chance to send it on until now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are
clearly not true, yet still spread, often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is
hiding his Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the
Quran and turns his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.
Actually, he took his Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and
he says, "Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America."
2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a
child in Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when
he was 6 to live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii
when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last
year by the Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found
that it is a public and secular institution and has been open to
students of all faiths since before Obama attended in the late 1960s.
(from the Associated Press)
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