[Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Tracy E. Longacre
tel at telphoto.com
Tue Mar 11 08:03:05 EDT 2008
"the point was for each of us to be the church in each and every situation
in which we show up in the world."
Yes, and to train, empower, call forth many, many others to be/do the same.
- Tracy E. Longacre
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Bamenda, Cameroon
So before I tip my cup, I just want to pick somebody up. Raul Midón
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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Margaret Helen
Aiseayew
Sent: Monday, 10 March, 2008 11:37 PM
To: Colleague Dialogue
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
I don't think the point was ever for each of us to be "in one." It always
seemd to me that the point was for each of us to be the church in each and
every situation in which we show up in the world. When you get this
embedded at the cellular level of your being we are talking about
many/many/many around the country and in the world. People have to journey
into a grasp of their faith in a complicated/global world. I give thanks
daily for the parents who are clear they don't have an adequate model (no
sense that they have yet "arrived" at 30 something) and bring their children
to church to initiate their journey of faith. That what we did worked as
well as it did should be cause to celebrate. That life keeps moving on is
also cause to celebrate, and it means we have got to keep moving!!
----- Original Message -----
From: James Wiegel <mailto:jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
To: Colleague Dialogue <mailto:dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
I apologize, I just thought, from some old documents that the point was not
for us each to be IN ONE, but somehow to make a difference in the form and
structures of the MANY, MANY OF THEM around the country and the world. I
thought the insight, coming out of the experience of Joe and Joe in the war
was that many lay people (soldiers) did not have a very good ability to
grasp the significance of their faith in a complicated and global world.
Re: Randy's comment: What if the new form of the local church is all those
inventive community based ngo and non profits?? On the side of being
Mission, every time I get Harvard Business Review I am overwhelmed by their
embrace of a sort of wedge blade consciousness.
Still, what other structure is reaching out to do the congregating task in a
context welcoming of the ongoing and future activity of G - O - D as well as
the past activity (as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be . .
.)
Wilson Priscilla <pwilson at teamtechinc.com> wrote:
ala Niebuhr...I would say that I am in a "church" today. We claim to be
mission church on Mission Road...and we work to fulfill that claim. Plus we
are pushing to put a theological base under that. We are fortunate to be
where we are.
Priscilla Wilson
On Mar 10, 2008, at 7:58 AM, R Williams wrote:
Where do we find the "church" (ala Niebuhr) today? It is seems not to be,
with some noteworthy exceptions, the cigar boxes with steeples, and I am "in
a church" to use Dick's words. Randy
Richard Alton <dick_alton at hotmail.com> wrote:
Margaret, you must be right! The only problem with Jim is that he is not in
a church! Dick
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bridges' 166 N. Humphrey Ave, Apt, 1N Oak Park, IL 60302 T:1.773.344.7172
richard.alton at gmail.com Don't let the fear of striking out hold you back
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From: aiseayew at netins.net
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:06:59 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Did NOT WORK????
Jim, surely you did not say that. Some one of those fundamentally sinful
people John mentioned commandeered your computer, right?
I just finished a four meeting strategic planning with my smallest
congregation. There are only fifteen members. We met with never more than
seven at a session through blizzards, ice storms, blizzards and frigid cold.
Only one member (and myself) were at every session. Ten of the fifteen were
there for at least one session. They struggled with vision, but they really
got into the contradictions and concluded that they were not out to declare
the Word with every activity of the church and that they had not embraced
the new challenges of their diversity. This was in adddition to confessing
that they were tired and skeptical of a plan that might demand more than
they had left to offer.
I could talk about the authenticity of this process and struggle for hours.
I couldn't be more proud. We decided on two new events, a regular study
that will last six weeks starting after Easter and two Family Fun Saturday
afternoons that will reach out to the whole neighborhood. We'll evaluate in
six months and see where we are. That they managed to move off the dime is
miraculous. That the church has been their sustenance for centuries, that
they are still sustaining it and waiting, willingly praying is equally
miraculous.
The journey to Jerusalem never ends. We are once again on our way to
Jerusalem and I have been asking for most of a lifetime of myself and others
if we were ready, truly ready for the crucifixion. This last week I was so
sick with the flu and trying to take a relationship to Lazarus' story that
it felt like a mighty intervention of the father himself and his question
has been, Are we ready for the resurrection?
----- Original Message -----
From: James <mailto:jfwiegel at yahoo.com> Wiegel
To: Colleague Dialogue <mailto:dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fine editorial
too bad the local church / galaxy strategy did not work. There would be
ecclesiolas in every "cigar box with a steeple" at every cross roads and
local caring people all across the country would have access to a deeper
formation in what is going on than seems currently available re: depth
study, reflection, conversation, etc.
John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
Amen! to a fine editorial, Diann. Thanks.
But believe there is and will be more villainous, depraved, and vicious
stuff coming than just slurs about racism, sexism, religionism,
Christianity-ism, USA-ism, military-industry-ism, party-ism, and
my-candidate-ism. Hate, divisiveness, and profiteering can't wait to get out
of the box -- with campaign permission -- and go crazy.
Is this sort of evil potentially in all of us? Nah! Sounds like hard-core,
die-hard, fundamental sin to me.
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[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:11 PM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
Nicholas Kristof says what I had wanted to say:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th
<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/opinion/09kristof.html?th&emc=th> &emc=th
--Diann McCabe
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From: McCabe, Diann A
Sent: Fri 3/7/2008 1:57 PM
To: Diann McCabe
Subject: FW: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
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From: Karl Hess <khess at apk.net>
Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0500
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Fact Check re: Obama
Diann,
"Enlighten" is part of the problem. In my view a big part. If you read
"The Political Brain" by Drew Westen, you will see that there is abundant
data showing that people make up their reasons to support their prejudices.
Ben Franklin said it well, "So convenient a thing it is to be a rational
creature, since it enables us to find or make a reason for everything one
has a mind to." The guy who wrote "What's the Matter with Kansas" thought
the way most liberals have thought for the last 40 years and that's why the
Republicans have won most of the presidential elections. Obama gets it. I
don't think Hilary does.
I've read several books on neuropsychology recently and they all find the
same phenomenon. In fact one neuroeconomist found that the standard
"rational man" assumed by economists only applies to autistic people.
That's why the so many economics Nobels lately have gone to people who have
been disproving traditional economics assumptions. Economics turns out to
be a philosophy pretending to be a science. "Adam's Fallacy" is also a good
read.
The people who "put this stuff out" are using the fear 'frame' to win
elections. If we continue to assume voters are going to be rational, they
will continue to win elections.
Karl
Yes, it's disturbing that whoever is putting out this stuff assumes that a
"Muslim" is someone to be feared and loathed. We have much work to do to
enlighten people about how we as "Christians" have many, many connections to
the Islamic faith.--Diann
On 3/6/08 1:29 PM, "facilitationfla at aol.com" <facilitationfla at aol.com>
wrote:
Thanks, Del,
Yes, this is disgusting. Another paper (similar to National Enquirer) had a
front page headline last month: "Obama's hidden ties to Al Queda". Last
week -- again on the front page it had a photo of a grizzled white guy with
the headline, "I slept with Obama". I went to the Publix store manager and
told him he shouldn't be selling such trash in our community.
Cynthia
This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a chance to
send it on until now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are clearly not true,
yet still spread, often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is hiding his
Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns
his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, he took his
Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in
the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America."
2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a child in
Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to
live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to
live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last year by the Associated
Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it is a public and
secular institution and has been open to students of all faiths since before
Obama attended in the late 1960s.
-----Original Message-----
From: Del Morrill <del at hypnocenter.com>
To: Order Ecumenical <OE at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 1:56 pm
Subject: Fact Check re: Obama
This appeared in the newspaper February 28. I just hadn't had a chance to
send it on until now.
FACT CHECK
Some of the rumors and allegations about Barack Obama are clearly not true,
yet still spread, often anonymously.
1. A debunked chain e-mail circulating widely suggests he is hiding his
Islamic roots. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns
his back on the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, he took his
Senate oath with his hand on a family Bible, and he says, "Whenever I'm in
the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America."
2. Another false report says he attended a Muslim madrassa as a child in
Jakarta. Obama was born in Hawaii and moved to Indonesia when he was 6 to
live with his mother and stepfather. He returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to
live with his maternal grandparents. Interviews last year by the Associated
Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it is a public and
secular institution and has been open to students of all faiths since before
Obama attended in the late 1960s.
(from the Associated Press)
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