[Dialogue] Need a quote

[Wayne Nelson]

Here¹s another angle on this question.

On one of David McClesky¹s visits to visit Kendra in Toronto, we asked him
about the foundations and origins of the ³Focused Conversation ­ Art-form²
method. We were  working on ³The Art of Focused Conversation² at the time
and trying to get a hook on Joe¹s approach to phenomonology. David sent us
to several sources. One of them was Heidegger¹s  ³Being and Time²,  an
extremely dense, dizzyingly complex and intimidating work.

In the final section of the book, he uses 3 key terms.

³Now-no-longer²
³Just-now²
³Now-not-yet²

He also uses a pile of others to talk about our individual and collective
self-conscious relationship to time and history.

I couldn¹t find a nice clear paragraph. As near as I can tell, Heidegger has
no crisp, quotable, short paragraphs. :)  He also uses a lot of linguistic
constructions that are attempts to break out of traditional thinking ­
difficult reading. Perhaps if I had more ³Just-now² time.

It is clear, however, that he is talking about the relationship to time we
take as self-reflective entities - ³Dasein.²  He is speaking primarily to
our individual relationship to past-present-future. It seems to me that what
Joe did was to stretch those notions to the sociological and say that is the
view of history for self-conscious people committed to making something
happen in the world. The ³infinity² sign that always places us in the
³Just-now² is related to this.

I remember going to Joe¹s apartment in 341 Homan to repair a broken window.
Probably about this time in 1970. There was Joe, sitting ins his lungi with
piles of books and papers spread over a desk and a table. (The TV was also
on.) As I worked on the window, I saw him looking from one to another and
making notes. I don¹t know what he was working on, but he was really hard at
it. 

Joe was always interested in making things accessible to everyone. He was
also very graphic. I can imagine him flipping back and forth between Bultman
and Heidegger and others ­ probably Bering and Nothingness by Sartre which
address this as well -  and doodling on paper in an attempt to make grounded
sense of these ideas. Making pictures is one of the only ways to penetrate
some of this stuff. Otherwise it all looks like weird abstractions. He did
it for almost everything and, as a result, gave us ways to navigate the
rough waters of life¹s key existential questions. Not answers, paddles.

These are all what I call ³back bearings²  and speculative explorations, but
it makes a lot of sense to me.

\\/

"David Walters"  wrote:

> Maybe this will help. It is from John Cocks blog. Especially the last
> sentence.
>  
> The meaning of the theme ³Man [sic] between the Times² is at first simple to
> determine.... [T]he notion of an ³interim² ­ a time that is neither past nor
> future, and yet both ­ [is an] understanding of the paradoxical existence of
> man ... [the] certainty of the unconditionedness of the divine demand and the
> divine grace.... [F]or him who lets God be his God, the past is extinguished
> and the future is open. ~Rudolf Bultmann, ³Man Between the Times...,²
> Existence and Faith, pp. 248, 252, 253
> CArlos wrote:
>  

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