[Dialogue] Need a quote

[Richard Alton]

Great!, Wayne. I took a graduate course on Heidegger's "Being and Time". It was pure fog, but great that we may of had some foundation in his work. I am amazed that you had enough stuff upstairs to see through the fog..good work!
Dick

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:44 -0400
From: wnelson at ica-associates.ca
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Need a quote





Re: [Dialogue] Need a quote








Here’s another angle on this question.  



On one of David McClesky’s visits to visit Kendra in Toronto, we asked him about the foundations and origins of the “Focused Conversation – Art-form” method. We were  working on “The Art of Focused Conversation” at the time and trying to get a hook on Joe’s approach to phenomonology. David sent us to several sources. One of them was Heidegger’s  “Being and Time”,  an extremely dense, dizzyingly complex and intimidating work. 



In the final section of the book, he uses 3 key terms. 



“Now-no-longer”

“Just-now”

“Now-not-yet”



He also uses a pile of others to talk about our individual and collective self-conscious relationship to time and history.   



I couldn’t find a nice clear paragraph. As near as I can tell, Heidegger has no crisp, quotable, short paragraphs. :)  He also uses a lot of linguistic constructions that are attempts to break out of traditional thinking – difficult reading. Perhaps if I had more “Just-now” time. 



It is clear, however, that he is talking about the relationship to time we take as self-reflective entities - “Dasein.”  He is speaking primarily to our individual relationship to past-present-future. It seems to me that what Joe did was to stretch those notions to the sociological and say that is the view of history for self-conscious people committed to making something happen in the world. The “infinity” sign that always places us in the “Just-now” is related to this.



I remember going to Joe’s apartment in 341 Homan to repair a broken window. Probably about this time in 1970. There was Joe, sitting ins his lungi with piles of books and papers spread over a desk and a table. (The TV was also on.) As I worked on the window, I saw him looking from one to another and making notes. I don’t know what he was working on, but he was really hard at it. 



Joe was always interested in making things accessible to everyone. He was also very graphic. I can imagine him flipping back and forth between Bultman and Heidegger and others – probably Bering and Nothingness by Sartre which address this as well -  and doodling on paper in an attempt to make grounded sense of these ideas. Making pictures is one of the only ways to penetrate some of this stuff. Otherwise it all looks like weird abstractions. He did it for almost everything and, as a result, gave us ways to navigate the rough waters of life’s key existential questions. Not answers, paddles.



These are all what I call “back bearings”  and speculative explorations, but it makes a lot of sense to me.



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"David Walters"  wrote:



Maybe this will help. It is from John Cocks blog. Especially the last sentence.

 

The meaning of the theme “Man [sic] between the Times” is at first simple to determine.... [T]he notion of an “interim” – a time that is neither past nor future, and yet both – [is an] understanding of the paradoxical existence of man ... [the] certainty of the unconditionedness of the divine demand and the divine grace.... [F]or him who lets God be his God, the past is extinguished and the future is open. ~Rudolf Bultmann, “Man Between the Times...,” Existence and Faith, pp. 248, 252, 253

CArlos wrote:

 



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