[Dialogue] Need a quote

[Wayne Nelson]

I¹m like Bernard Sampson in the Len Deighton novels. I don¹t mind being
underestimated ­ gives me an advantage sometimes.

\\/


"Richard Alton"  wrote:

> Great!, Wayne. I took a graduate course on Heidegger's "Being and Time". It
> was pure fog, but great that we may of had some foundation in his work. I am
> amazed that you had enough stuff upstairs to see through the fog..good work!
> Dick
> 
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> 
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:44 -0400
> From: wnelson at ica-associates.ca
> To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Need a quote
> 
> Re: [Dialogue] Need a quote
> 
> 
> Here¹s another angle on this question.
> 
> On one of David McClesky¹s visits to visit Kendra in Toronto, we asked him
> about the foundations and origins of the ³Focused Conversation ­ Art-form²
> method. We were  working on ³The Art of Focused Conversation² at the time and
> trying to get a hook on Joe¹s approach to phenomonology. David sent us to
> several sources. One of them was Heidegger¹s  ³Being and Time²,  an extremely
> dense, dizzyingly complex and intimidating work.
> 
> In the final section of the book, he uses 3 key terms.
> 
> ³Now-no-longer²
> ³Just-now²
> ³Now-not-yet²
> 
> He also uses a pile of others to talk about our individual and collective
> self-conscious relationship to time and history.
> 
> I couldn¹t find a nice clear paragraph. As near as I can tell, Heidegger has
> no crisp, quotable, short paragraphs. :)  He also uses a lot of linguistic
> constructions that are attempts to break out of traditional thinking ­
> difficult reading. Perhaps if I had more ³Just-now² time.
> 
> It is clear, however, that he is talking about the relationship to time we
> take as self-reflective entities - ³Dasein.²  He is speaking primarily to our
> individual relationship to past-present-future. It seems to me that what Joe
> did was to stretch those notions to the sociological and say that is the view
> of history for self-conscious people committed to making something happen in
> the world. The ³infinity² sign that always places us in the ³Just-now² is
> related to this.
> 
> I remember going to Joe¹s apartment in 341 Homan to repair a broken window.
> Probably about this time in 1970. There was Joe, sitting ins his lungi with
> piles of books and papers spread over a desk and a table. (The TV was also
> on.) As I worked on the window, I saw him looking from one to another and
> making notes. I don¹t know what he was working on, but he was really hard at
> it. 
> 
> Joe was always interested in making things accessible to everyone. He was also
> very graphic. I can imagine him flipping back and forth between Bultman and
> Heidegger and others ­ probably Bering and Nothingness by Sartre which address
> this as well -  and doodling on paper in an attempt to make grounded sense of
> these ideas. Making pictures is one of the only ways to penetrate some of this
> stuff. Otherwise it all looks like weird abstractions. He did it for almost
> everything and, as a result, gave us ways to navigate the rough waters of
> life¹s key existential questions. Not answers, paddles.
> 
> These are all what I call ³back bearings²  and speculative explorations, but
> it makes a lot of sense to me.
> 
> \\/
> 
> "David Walters"  wrote:
> 
>> Maybe this will help. It is from John Cocks blog. Especially the last
>> sentence.
>>  
>> The meaning of the theme ³Man [sic] between the Times² is at first simple to
>> determine.... [T]he notion of an ³interim² ­ a time that is neither past nor
>> future, and yet both ­ [is an] understanding of the paradoxical existence of
>> man ... [the] certainty of the unconditionedness of the divine demand and the
>> divine grace.... [F]or him who lets God be his God, the past is extinguished
>> and the future is open. ~Rudolf Bultmann, ³Man Between the Times...,²
>> Existence and Faith, pp. 248, 252, 253
>> CArlos wrote:
>>  
> 
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