[Dialogue] Need a quote

[Carolyn Antenen]

This is an amazing discussion that I'm going to draw on for the  
Antenen clan conversation during Thanksgiving.
Ann just gave us her complete files from Academy.

Although Jay Sr. has struggles with memory, this type of topic  
usually elicits gems of insight or poetry from him.

My oldest son, Jay III, was a Philosophy Politics and Economics  
major, and studied Heidegger for a semester at Oxford University.
Can't wait to share this connection to EI curriculum and hear his and  
our other 2 sons perspectives (Donald was at Global Conference
in Guatemala and Henry's Freshman Seminar at Bard College looks like  
the Academy's reading list ).

Carolyn


On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Richard Alton wrote:

> Great!, Wayne. I took a graduate course on Heidegger's "Being and  
> Time". It was pure fog, but great that we may of had some  
> foundation in his work. I am amazed that you had enough stuff  
> upstairs to see through the fog..good work!
> Dick
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> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:44 -0400
> From: wnelson at ica-associates.ca
> To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Need a quote
>
>
>
>
> Here’s another angle on this question.
>
> On one of David McClesky’s visits to visit Kendra in Toronto, we  
> asked him about the foundations and origins of the “Focused  
> Conversation – Art-form” method. We were  working on “The Art of  
> Focused Conversation” at the time and trying to get a hook on Joe’s  
> approach to phenomonology. David sent us to several sources. One of  
> them was Heidegger’s  “Being and Time”,  an extremely dense,  
> dizzyingly complex and intimidating work.
>
> In the final section of the book, he uses 3 key terms.
>
> “Now-no-longer”
> “Just-now”
> “Now-not-yet”
>
> He also uses a pile of others to talk about our individual and  
> collective self-conscious relationship to time and history.
>
> I couldn’t find a nice clear paragraph. As near as I can tell,  
> Heidegger has no crisp, quotable, short paragraphs. :) He also uses  
> a lot of linguistic constructions that are attempts to break out of  
> traditional thinking – difficult reading. Perhaps if I had more  
> “Just-now” time.
>
> It is clear, however, that he is talking about the relationship to  
> time we take as self-reflective entities - “Dasein.”  He is  
> speaking primarily to our individual relationship to past-present- 
> future. It seems to me that what Joe did was to stretch those  
> notions to the sociological and say that is the view of history for  
> self-conscious people committed to making something happen in the  
> world. The “infinity” sign that always places us in the “Just-now”  
> is related to this.
>
> I remember going to Joe’s apartment in 341 Homan to repair a broken  
> window. Probably about this time in 1970. There was Joe, sitting  
> ins his lungi with piles of books and papers spread over a desk and  
> a table. (The TV was also on.) As I worked on the window, I saw him  
> looking from one to another and making notes. I don’t know what he  
> was working on, but he was really hard at it.
>
> Joe was always interested in making things accessible to everyone.  
> He was also very graphic. I can imagine him flipping back and forth  
> between Bultman and Heidegger and others – probably Bering and  
> Nothingness by Sartre which address this as well -  and doodling on  
> paper in an attempt to make grounded sense of these ideas. Making  
> pictures is one of the only ways to penetrate some of this stuff.  
> Otherwise it all looks like weird abstractions. He did it for  
> almost everything and, as a result, gave us ways to navigate the  
> rough waters of life’s key existential questions. Not answers,  
> paddles.
>
> These are all what I call “back bearings”  and speculative  
> explorations, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
>
> \\/
>
> "David Walters"  wrote:
>
> Maybe this will help. It is from John Cocks blog. Especially the  
> last sentence.
>
> The meaning of the theme “Man [sic] between the Times” is at first  
> simple to determine.... [T]he notion of an “interim” – a time that  
> is neither past nor future, and yet both – [is an] understanding of  
> the paradoxical existence of man ... [the] certainty of the  
> unconditionedness of the divine demand and the divine grace.... [F] 
> or him who lets God be his God, the past is extinguished and the  
> future is open. ~Rudolf Bultmann, “Man Between the Times...,”  
> Existence and Faith, pp. 248, 252, 253
> CArlos wrote:
>
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