[Dialogue] Need a quote

Tue Oct 28 09:55:31 EDT 2008

Dear Carolyn and Jay,
In your SPARE time, a book about the generation's O:E/EI/ICA  
experiences seems to be in order!  Have the royalities come to our on- 
going efforts to serve the peoples of the world!
Grace & Peace,
Ellen (still on the Fund-Raising committee)
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Carolyn Antenen wrote:

> This is an amazing discussion that I'm going to draw on for the  
> Antenen clan conversation during Thanksgiving.
> Ann just gave us her complete files from Academy.
>
> Although Jay Sr. has struggles with memory, this type of topic  
> usually elicits gems of insight or poetry from him.
>
> My oldest son, Jay III, was a Philosophy Politics and Economics  
> major, and studied Heidegger for a semester at Oxford University.
> Can't wait to share this connection to EI curriculum and hear his  
> and our other 2 sons perspectives (Donald was at Global Conference
> in Guatemala and Henry's Freshman Seminar at Bard College looks  
> like the Academy's reading list ).
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Richard Alton wrote:
>
>> Great!, Wayne. I took a graduate course on Heidegger's "Being and  
>> Time". It was pure fog, but great that we may of had some  
>> foundation in his work. I am amazed that you had enough stuff  
>> upstairs to see through the fog..good work!
>> Dick
>>
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>>
>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:44 -0400
>> From: wnelson at ica-associates.ca
>> To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Need a quote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here’s another angle on this question.
>>
>> On one of David McClesky’s visits to visit Kendra in Toronto, we  
>> asked him about the foundations and origins of the “Focused  
>> Conversation – Art-form” method. We were  working on “The Art of  
>> Focused Conversation” at the time and trying to get a hook on  
>> Joe’s approach to phenomonology. David sent us to several sources.  
>> One of them was Heidegger’s  “Being and Time”,  an extremely  
>> dense, dizzyingly complex and intimidating work.
>>
>> In the final section of the book, he uses 3 key terms.
>>
>> “Now-no-longer”
>> “Just-now”
>> “Now-not-yet”
>>
>> He also uses a pile of others to talk about our individual and  
>> collective self-conscious relationship to time and history.
>>
>> I couldn’t find a nice clear paragraph. As near as I can tell,  
>> Heidegger has no crisp, quotable, short paragraphs. :) He also  
>> uses a lot of linguistic constructions that are attempts to break  
>> out of traditional thinking – difficult reading. Perhaps if I had  
>> more “Just-now” time.
>>
>> It is clear, however, that he is talking about the relationship to  
>> time we take as self-reflective entities - “Dasein.”  He is  
>> speaking primarily to our individual relationship to past-present- 
>> future. It seems to me that what Joe did was to stretch those  
>> notions to the sociological and say that is the view of history  
>> for self-conscious people committed to making something happen in  
>> the world. The “infinity” sign that always places us in the “Just- 
>> now” is related to this.
>>
>> I remember going to Joe’s apartment in 341 Homan to repair a  
>> broken window. Probably about this time in 1970. There was Joe,  
>> sitting ins his lungi with piles of books and papers spread over a  
>> desk and a table. (The TV was also on.) As I worked on the window,  
>> I saw him looking from one to another and making notes. I don’t  
>> know what he was working on, but he was really hard at it.
>>
>> Joe was always interested in making things accessible to everyone.  
>> He was also very graphic. I can imagine him flipping back and  
>> forth between Bultman and Heidegger and others – probably Bering  
>> and Nothingness by Sartre which address this as well -  and  
>> doodling on paper in an attempt to make grounded sense of these  
>> ideas. Making pictures is one of the only ways to penetrate some  
>> of this stuff. Otherwise it all looks like weird abstractions. He  
>> did it for almost everything and, as a result, gave us ways to  
>> navigate the rough waters of life’s key existential questions. Not  
>> answers, paddles.
>>
>> These are all what I call “back bearings”  and speculative  
>> explorations, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
>>
>> \\/
>>
>> "David Walters"  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe this will help. It is from John Cocks blog. Especially the  
>> last sentence.
>>
>> The meaning of the theme “Man [sic] between the Times” is at first  
>> simple to determine.... [T]he notion of an “interim” – a time that  
>> is neither past nor future, and yet both – [is an] understanding  
>> of the paradoxical existence of man ... [the] certainty of the  
>> unconditionedness of the divine demand and the divine grace.... [F] 
>> or him who lets God be his God, the past is extinguished and the  
>> future is open. ~Rudolf Bultmann, “Man Between the Times...,”  
>> Existence and Faith, pp. 248, 252, 253
>> CArlos wrote:
>>
>>
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>>
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