[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Palin's Lies

Tue Sep 9 12:54:47 EDT 2008

Sounds like they don't believe there is openness to change YOUR mind & they are fearful you might change theirs. Remember the old poem about the "lout" who "drew a circle & left me out"? "Love &l I had the wit to win. We drew a cicle that took him in.". 

So everyone, what does drawing that circle look like?

Sunny - on an adventure to UP Michigan - the advenyure began when I dropped my drivers license post-security on train platform (to all gates) & didn't notice till train had left. Found/retrieved/made the flight - obviously all to get in my 30 minute walk (make that a pig-sweatin' run!)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Hess <khess at apk.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:21 
To: Colleague Dialogue<dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...]  Palin's Lies

Walking away or a hostile refusal to answer any semblance of my  
question.
Karl

On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:04 PM, sunwalker at comcast.net wrote:

> & the response was?
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Hess <khess at apk.net>
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:49:01
> To: Colleague Dialogue<dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community<oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...]  Palin's Lies
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Good point, but I think we have to learn how to talk about our common
> life in order to be a functional community.  I realize it may be too
> late for that.
>
> I thought just asking calmly "What do you think will be the most
> important issues in the election?" would be unthreatening, but I  got
> the same response twice.
>
> Karl
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:01 PM, James Wiegel wrote:
>
>> We had some in-law's staying with us for a while, during the
>> previous election here and I tried to get a conversation going with
>> my brother in law about politics (a focused conversation, mind you,
>> not just any conversation) and he did this little speech about not
>> talking politics in the family for uncertainty of what might
>> happen . . .
>>
>> Since then, I find myself thinking that there is a depth of
>> difference and a depth of emotion that gets stirred up (venom, if
>> you will) in the political / electoral process that is beyond what
>> is easily ORID able.  It may have to do with touching deeply enough
>> to actually mobilize enough people to pick someone, not sure . . .
>>
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>> --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tim Casswell
>> <timcasswell at creativeconnection.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Tim Casswell <timcasswell at creativeconnection.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
>>> To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>, "Colleague
>>> Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
>>> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 8:26 AM
>>> However much I feel uncomfortable about Sarah Palin and her
>>> views I am
>>> disturbed by the venom in these emails. I realise that this
>>> is your country
>>> and your politician, I have no right to challenge your
>>> thinking, but I think
>>> you are better than that this sort of rhetoric reveals.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Adelbert Batica <abatica at hotmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community
>>> <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:50:08 -0500
>>> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>,
>>> <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
>>>
>>> Marshall -
>>>
>>> Remember in the 90's...when Rush Limbaugh was ranting
>>> and raving about
>>> "FEMINAZIS"?!  Well....he was barking up the
>>> wrong tree at the time.
>>>
>>> But now...you have the One, the Only, the
>>> Genuine...FEMINAZI.  Had she been
>>> born in Germany in some other age, she could have
>>> been...Sarah Hitler von
>>> Palin.
>>>
>>> Watch out, folks, the Nazis are coming!
>>>
>>> Addi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:20:57 -0700
>>> From: synergi at yahoo.com
>>> To: oe at wedgeblade.net; dialogue at wedgeblade.net
>>> Subject: [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
>>>
>>> OK, I watched the speech intensvely, like many other
>>> Americans. And it was a
>>> great media event. She did a superb job of reading the
>>> teleprompter after
>>> practicing all week. She was poised, even sexy, and had the
>>> right delivery
>>> rhythms to wow the Republican audience. And she went after
>>> Obama with some
>>> great lines written for her by the best in the West!
>>>
>>> She also used her family as a Great American Story. . .of
>>> faith and freedom
>>> and being generously rewarded as a very popular governor.
>>> So what's not to
>>> like?
>>>
>>> Well, for starters, she simply glossed over the truth of
>>> her own experience.
>>>
>>> While she was immersed in being governess of our largest
>>> state (with the
>>> smallest population per square mile) and handing out
>>> billions in bonuses to
>>> Alaskan citizens, her oldest daughter Bristol was sneaking
>>> around and
>>> getting knocked up by some 18 year old named Levi Johnston
>>> who likes to
>>> snowboard and ride dirt bikes, and boasts on his MySpace
>>> page:
>>>
>>> "I'm a fuckin' redneck."
>>> "But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and
>>> hang out with the boys,
>>> do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin'
>>> chillin' I guess."
>>> "Ya fuck with me I'll kick [your] ass," he
>>> added.
>>> He also claims to be "in a relationship," but
>>> states, "I don't want kids."
>>>
>>> So that's the kind of marriage material Bristol is
>>> being forced to get
>>> locked into, to protect the image of her Republican family.
>>>
>>> What's worse, the whole experience exposes the
>>> hypocrisy of Sarah's
>>> ideological embrace of Abstinence Only Sex Education.
>>>
>>> Well it didn't work for her own family because it
>>> enforces the myth of
>>> prolonged virginity, despite the truth that the Pledge
>>> doesn't prolong
>>> virginity for those who take it. So Bristol didn't have
>>> the option of being
>>> honest with her parents, and receiving appropriate guidance
>>> and counseling
>>> that could have protected her from an unwanted pregnancy,
>>> because she had to
>>> protect the myth and embrace the family lie.
>>>
>>> She didn't have the option of learning how to apply,
>>> use, and remove a
>>> condom safely to avoid unwanted exposure to Levi's
>>> sperm. Nor did she have
>>> the option of even discussing abortion as an alternative.
>>> She also does not
>>> have the option--or the self-awareness--to avoid a bad
>>> marriage and raise
>>> her child as a single mother. Or to put the child up for
>>> adoption.
>>>
>>> And if she took huge risks either in ignorance, in the heat
>>> of the moment,
>>> or perhaps in defiance of her parents' stated values or
>>> in reaction to the
>>> dishonesty of her relationship with them, what does that
>>> say about their
>>> parenting skills?
>>>
>>> And if she deliberately got pregnant to snare this no-good
>>> in a shotgun
>>> wedding and bail out of her parents' control, what does
>>> that say about her
>>> maturity?
>>>
>>> Now she's totally out of options. The only option she
>>> and Levi have is of
>>> going through with the wedding for the sake of Republican
>>> politics to become
>>> the teenage poster children of responsible family creation
>>> for all American
>>> teens. As well as a cautionary tale for all of us.
>>>
>>> So what's all this got to do with running the White
>>> House?
>>>
>>> Simply put, Sarah Palin embraces an extreme right wing
>>> Republican ideology
>>> which is an inappropriate context for making life and death
>>> decisions about
>>> the fate of this nation and the world. Pervasive lying in
>>> your own family,
>>> protecting some ideal of "purity," translates
>>> into pervasive lying to the
>>> American public to protect some right wing ideal, rather
>>> than the straight
>>> talk for which John McCain likes to be known.
>>>
>>> Not a stretch. And that's really all she knows. It has
>>> worked for her up to
>>> this point, unless she gets taken to the cleaners on the
>>> influence charge of
>>> intervening to get her sister's 'Ex-' fired as
>>> a state cop.
>>>
>>> The real story of Sarah Palin is that you do anything you
>>> think you can get
>>> away with that's in your perceived short term interest
>>> while applying the
>>> lipstick that separates you from the pit bulls and smiling
>>> into the camera
>>> while you ply your right wing ideology to make the
>>> Evangelical voters pull
>>> the lever.  God help us while she figures out what to do
>>> once she gets into
>>> office.
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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