[Dialogue] Does the Big Sort give any clues?

Sun Aug 30 07:21:50 CDT 2009

I found myself struggling with this in early July, near Jerusalem, in working with a pilot for bringing together the sides in the Israeli - Palestinian conflict.  With people in violent conflict, it is not clear that there is anything "in common" on which to base decisions for the future.  It was pointed out that using "rights" language puts people into the position of being ready to fight for what they see as justice, whereas using the language of basic human needs puts people in more of a place to inquire what is possible.  

Even so, what are these basic human needs and who is the guarantor?  Even in the constitution they were stated as "self evident"

Maybe there is something deeper going on in this shrill American debate?  I wonder if anyone who has been studying The Big Sort might have a thought?

Jim

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--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Susan Fertig <susan at gmdtech.com> wrote:

From: Susan Fertig <susan at gmdtech.com>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Bill Alerding
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Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 11:35 AM

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No.

Susan 
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[mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of A.M. Noel
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Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:26 PM
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Community'
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Alerding

Yes

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Fertig
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:16 AM
To: 'Order 
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Alerding

Do we have a right to eat?

Susan 
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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net 
[mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Tracy E. 
Longacre
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:31 AM
To: 'Order 
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Bill 
Alerding

Why? 
Maybe because, like rain, much disease, injury, illness, etc. rains on all, 
regardless of ability to pay. If you have a right to eat but no right to health 
care, what’s the point?  

Of 
course, we all know that, despite the fact that we spend our tax dollars pushing 
governments around the world to believe and provide healthcare as a right, this 
is not in fact true in the US. 

Tracy E. Longacre 

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Susan Fertig
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Why? 

Susan 
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From: 
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PM
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Bill Alerding 
As Ted Kennedy so well said: "Healthcare in a right of all 
the people, not a priviledge"  

i 

Bill Alerding 

On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:18 PM, David Walters 
wrote: 

All the Healthcare 
belongs to all the people. 

David 
Walters 

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