[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Health Care - ENGAGEMENT

[David & Lin Zahrt]

Good Jeanie,

You're ready to start it? What's the first question? How do we proceed?
Lets have this insight open the door rather than close it!

David Z
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jean Watts wrote:

I found when facilitating groups focused on "health care" or "healthy
communities" that it was necessary to begin with a workshop that  
uncovered
the group's underlying assumptions and beliefs rather than their  
practical
vision.  It appeared that it was at this level where the "real"  
conflict of
perspective on the particular subject or content being discussed was  
rooted.


JWM use to say frequently that "We are always in the process of  
acting out
our self understanding."  Our "self understanding" is, in reality, these
underlying assumptions, beliefs, and values.  One of the ways these are
"acted out' is in the particular way we articulate our vision and  
solutions
to the issues within the content being discussed.

These underlying beliefs, assumptions, and values are always in a  
state of
movement or evolution.  So, by beginning at this point, it enabled  
the group
to begin with the present moment or situation rather than focusing on  
the
past stuff that has brought them to this present situation.

So, I think that this is where we as a group of caring individuals might
focus our discussion prior to answering the vision question.

Namaste,
Jean

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:17:36 +0800
From: "jlepps at pc.jaring.my" <jlepps at pc.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Health Care--ENGAGEMENT!
To: Order Ecumenical Community  <oe at wedgeblade.net>
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Thanks, David.

I believe this can be facilitated over the listserve, though the  
gestalting
might be less participative than usual. Is there someone(s) who would be
willing to take on this task? I'm up to here right now, but would be  
happy
to play a second role. Seems to me the job will be:
          1. solicit responses to the question of vision: What would a
desirable health care system look like? What are components of the  
desired
system?
          2. Group the ideas into columns according to similarity.
          3. Post the columns on the listserve, and invite the group to
provide 3-4-word names (We want to see _____)
          4. Invite a discussion of the names (perhaps for a week)  
and then
settle on the ones with greatest consensus.

Move on to the contradictions and follow the same process; then to the
strategy.

The ToP network has a task force working on ways to facilitate virtual
meetings, and there are multiple software and web-based programmes  
that can
be used. Unfortunately most charge a fee and are complicated to  
learn, so
while we probably can't use them here, maybe someone from that group  
would
like to play a role in this on the listserve.

While this may be a tedious process for us, it may just possibly  
generate
some innovative ideas that are not yet in the national discussion. Who
knows?

John

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