[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Federal budget

Mon Nov 15 12:23:38 CST 2010

In the hout before his  speach, Ike changed his written. It would have read "military-industrical-congressional complex ". 

David 
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  From: George Holcombe 
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  Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:07 PM
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  Good piece.  What I wonder is how can you find the hidden funding and the amounts that are passed by congress above and beyond the budgeted amounts?  Is that a part of any of these reports or charts?  Are we dealing more with publicity than actual numbers.

  I remember Pres. Eisenhower's warning long ago about the military-industrical complex and it seems to have come true in spades.

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  On Nov 15, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Janice Ulangca wrote:

    It's good we're trying to dig out the real story - not easy.  I've highlighted a couple of things in red.

    The material I got from the American Friends Service Committee listed all the following things under the "military" category:  Department of Defense + War (Including "special supplements" to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) + Veterans Affairs + Nuclear Weapons Programs:  all this came to 59% of the  "Federal discretionary budget sent by President Obama to Congress in January 2011.  Percentages are rounded."  Nuclear Weapons Programs are usually listed under the Energy Department.  AFSC broke out the amount for Energy that is not related to the nuclear weapons program and got 1% of the total discretionary budget. 

    The American Friends Service Committee is trying to raise "one minute for peace" - the amount of income tax dollars being spent on "military" - including all the categories above - every minute. More information, including a colored pie chart and a link to the government site for the Feb. 2010 budget proposal:
    www.oneminuteforpeace.org/budget              

    Re Randy's good point:  The AFSC material says this: "The total of the U.S. military budget dwarfs the next largest military budget.  In fact, the United States spends as much on our military as the combined totals of the next 15 largest budgets.  That's China, Russia, Britain, France, Japan, Germany, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, India, Brazil, Italy, Austria, Canada, Indonesia, and the Netherlands!"

    Janice

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      From: R Williams 
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      Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:32 AM
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            The key for me is what the US spends on war/defense compared to what the rest of the whole inhabited earth spends.  The story is that the US spends more than all the rest of the nations combined, but I have not seen the actural numbers. 

            Randy

            --- On Sun, 11/14/10, Susan Fertig <susan at gmdtech.com> wrote:

              From: Susan Fertig <susan at gmdtech.com>
              Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Federal budget
              To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
              Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 7:21 PM

              Hmmm—in the first link below, the Health and Human Services budget is shown at $900 billion, with $719 billion for Defense Department (of which $200 billion is for defense efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen)--which is inconsistent with the chart below, in particular the $600 billion for “all other departments”.

              I wonder how much of the Defense budget is for personnel and how much for defense systems.  When I have time I’ll try to ferret that out. 

              Susan

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              Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:29 AM
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              http://www.onlineforextrading.com/articles/2011-federal-budget 

              http://www.federalbudget.com/ 

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget 

              Here’s a chart for 2010 just considering “discretionary spending.” People go both ways on whether Social Security is part of the Federal Budget. 

              <image001.png>On Thursday February 26th, the US Federal Budget for 2010 was released. In a sea of 140 pages, there was over $600 billion going to defense and roughly another $600 billion going towards all other departments and programs. Obama forecasts a $1.75 trillion deficit increase but for the overall US deficit to be halved by the end of his term, partially through $989 billion in new taxes. (Guess what’s happening to the new taxes.)

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