[Dialogue] Change of Topic

W. J. synergi at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 21 14:21:19 EDT 2011


My first take on this essay is that I'm probably more of a whole-on that is part 
of a larger hole. Maybe a very big hole. Even an awesome hole. Perhaps we are 
all awesome holes. Like, black holes. That would be fairly awesome. Dunno, but 
I'll think about it. Please pass the antibiotics. I need them with my cereal.
Marshall



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From: darrell walker <darrell66 at earthlink.net>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Sun, August 21, 2011 6:25:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Change of Belief [darrell walker]

 
    It has been so long that I have  been requested to make a provocative 
proposition that I have forgotten what one  looks like.  But "provocative 
proposition" has the ring of rational about  it, and what I am suggesting is 
"transrational," to use Wilber's term.   That gets me out of having to use 
rational arguments.
    First, it sounds like I need to  plug in Wilber's definition of "holon," to 
wit, "a holon is a whole that is  a part of other wholes.  For example, a whole 
atom is part of a whole  molecule; a whole molecule is part of a whole cell; a 
whole cell is part of a  whole organism.  Or again, a whole letter is part of a 
whole word, which is  part of a whole sentence, which is part of a whole 
paragraph, and so on.   Reality is composed of neither wholes nor parts, but of 
whole/parts, or  holons.  Reality in all domains is basically composed of  
holons."
    Second, we need to get the ego  under control.  Am I diminished because I am 
merely a cell and not the  organ?  The cell can be well or contaminated by 
"evil" bacteria.  It  may need to be baptized in antibiotic for the salvation of 
its sinful  soul.  Or, the cell can mature to the point of realizing that with 
clean  living it doesn't need antibiotics.  Or looked at another way, can you  
imagine a world filled only with uncoordinated kidney cells emitting urine all  
over the place to no good purpose.  The kidney cells avidly believe they  are at 
the top of Creation's ladder and refuse to be manipulated into being  "merely" 
part of a kidney.  Who are we humans to put limits on  creation?
    And finally, there is merely the  observation of what is transpiring.  It 
began with Henry Ford announcing  that humans were merely part of an assembly 
line.  No one person on  the assembly line had to understand the process.  But 
without persons on  the assembly line, there would be no process.  Without 
assembly line  paychecks, there would be no customers.  Henry never heard 
Wilber's fancy  term, holon, but he understood the concept well.
    For the past thirty years a  corporation mentality has been evolving.  The 
first hint of it that I saw  was in 1984 at the annual board meeting of Phillips 
Petroleum Company.   Carl Icahn appeared at the meeting and announced to the 
chairman that the  purpose of the company had nothing to do with products or 
customers or  employees.  Rather the sole purpose of the company was 
"shareholder  value."  He then proceeded to force the company to go $8 billion 
into debt  and distribute it to shareholders.  He then liquidated TWA and just 
this  week was working his magic on Chlorox.  Corporations are in creative  
flux--merging, spinning off, suing, monopolizing, off shoring, downsizing--all  
the while controlling the cultural heat to prevent burning.  Lobbyists and  
money control Washington while the mythic masses are manipulated to do the  
corporate bidding.  The creation is in the messy, ugly creative stages and  will 
not mature for hundreds, even thousands, of years.  But we are blessed  to have 
experienced the ovulation and orgasm of the 1950-60s which resulted  in the egg 
being fertilized in the 1980s.  Cell division is now rapidly  underway but 
actual organ formation is yet to be defined.
    Rational?  No, but then  creation never is.  Why should it have been sinful 
to take a bite of  apple?
        Darrell  Walker  --  Phoenix
 
> 
>Pondering some more about Darrell's Change of Belief thread which    includes
>phrases like:
>-Appropriate function of corporations in    culture
>-Ken Wilber's concept of holons
>-Belief that corporations are    the next evolving level of spiritual 
>development
>-Our role as holons will    be participants in the process but we will not be in 
>control
>-New being    having organs labeled as Google, Apple, and Goldman Sachs
>
>
>Seems like there are several ways to engage this thread
>-point, counterpoint, file in my never find it again inbox or
>-intensify the action-reaction cycle by sharp-shooting a couple Darrell's    
>more outrageous points or
>-put in some little snarky cheep shot or
>
>
>invite an appreciative inquiry and some provocative propositions from    Darrell 
>that actually invite dialog
>
>
>So, I'm wondering, Darrell, if you might have 3 or 4 propositions that    invite 
>dialog and inquiry
>I'm thinking that my read of your points doesn't do justice to your    thinking 
>since I'm stuck in a set of
>cynical editorials like
>-lost in Wilbur's abstraction machinery
>-scientific darwinism
>-corporations are evolutionary people
>-apple vs haliburton
>-no social pioneers no freedom no enlightenment just along for the ride    in a 
>process process paradigm
>-1000 year timelines do what for the civilizing process again?
>
>
>
>
>How about some provocative propositions that generate inquiry, Darrell,    got 
>any to share?   
>
>--
>Steve Harrington
>
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