[Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??

Tue Dec 20 17:20:10 EST 2011

This is a good Christmas question & discussion, 
because we frequently spoke of "The Contentless Christ."

By that, I understood us to mean that the Christ 
Word or Happening does not depend on any 
historical tradition, that it is a process that 
is part of life itself. There is no content, 
behavioral or historical or sociological or 
psychological or religious or economic, that is 
required for the happening to occur. It just 
happens, and when it does, everything is transformed.

That's something well worth celebrating!

Merry Christmas

John

At 02:22 PM 12/20/2011, Gordon Harper wrote:
>I rather like the dictionary definition you came 
>up with, Jim.  Weren't most of us always a bit discontented and dissatisfied??
>
>In addition, to be slightly more serious, it's 
>related in my mind to the little short course I 
>suspect many of us use when training or 
>facilitating strategic thinking and 
>planning.  The one around Eisenhower's famous 
>statement, "The plan is nothing.  Planning is everything."
>
>Gordon
>
>
>On 12/20/2011 12:58 PM, Wayne Nelson wrote:
>>
>>We say that the method is contentless; so the 
>>focus is on process. That makes sense.
>>
>>I think we can also legitimately say that the 
>>medium (method) is the message.  It is the 
>>methodology that enables people to vision, 
>>discover and come to terms with limits, act out 
>>of freedom and responsibility etc.  Those 
>>messages are entirely transparent and embodied 
>>in practical processes. We don't go around 
>>saying stuff like, " you are a free person", 
>>but people discover their existential freedom in these facilitated situations.
>>
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>>On 2011-12-20, at 3:32 PM, 
>><mailto:PSchrijnen at aol.com>PSchrijnen at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Jim,
>>>
>>>In meetings these days we refer to balancing 
>>>focus on content and process. Maybe 
>>>'contentless' has to do with focusing on 
>>>process: the way things are done rather than 
>>>what is done. I suspect it must have been more complicated than that....
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>In a message dated 20/12/2011 19:55:18 GMT 
>>>Standard Time, <mailto:jfwiegel at yahoo.com>jfwiegel at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>>Looking on the internet, it comes up as
>>>
>>>
>>>Con`tent´less: 
>>><http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Discontented>Discontented; 
>>><http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/dissatisfied>dissatisfied
>>>
>>>What did we mean?  What might be synonyms?
>>>
>>>Jim Wiegel
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>>>--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Ellie Stock 
>>><<mailto:elliestock at aol.com>elliestock at aol.com> wrote:
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>>>From: Ellie Stock <<mailto:elliestock at aol.com>elliestock at aol.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Advent song: In the Fullness of Earth's Time
>>>To: <mailto:dialogue at wedgeblade.net>dialogue at wedgeblade.net
>>>Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 1:55 PM
>>>
>>>Hi Jack--
>>>
>>>There is a tune, but it's not written 
>>>down.  Our son, who is a musician, is visiting 
>>>this weekend and is going to write it 
>>>down--can send it then.  Til then it's in my 
>>>head and on tape...the tune is reminiscent of 
>>>a madrigal melody.  It's part of series called New World Madrigals.
>>>
>>>Grace and peace,
>>>
>>>Ellie
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jack Gilles <<mailto:icabombay at igc.org>icabombay at igc.org>
>>>To: Colleague Dialogue 
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>>>Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 2:45 pm
>>>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Advent song: In the Fullness of Earth's Time
>>>
>>>Ellie,
>>>
>>>Is there a tune with this song?   The words and images are terrific!
>>>
>>>Thank you!
>>>
>>>Grace & Peace,
>>>
>>>Jack
>>>On Dec 17, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Ellie Stock wrote:
>>>
>>>>Advent and Christmas blessings...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>IN THE FULNESS OF EARTH’S TIME
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In the fullness of earth’s time
>>>>In the silent desert night
>>>>Unfolds a rose and lifts its head
>>>>To the wonder of dawn’s light
>>>>Praising life’s strange plight
>>>>
>>>>             Creation’s timing is perfect
>>>>             Its Mystery rebirth
>>>>
>>>>In the stillness of earth’s space
>>>>In a crowded city place
>>>>Awakes a soul and lifts his head
>>>>To the wonder of his fate
>>>>Called to lead life’s race
>>>>
>>>>             Creation’s timing is perfect
>>>>             Its chosenness rebirth
>>>>
>>>>In the fullness of earth’s time
>>>>Across five thousand lands
>>>>Stretch the arms of woman and man
>>>>To build the earth again
>>>>Joined in life’s strange dance
>>>>
>>>>             Creation’s timing is perfect
>>>>             Its Mystery rebirth
>>>>
>>>>             Creation’s timing is perfect
>>>>             Its chosenness rebirth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                 ejhs
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