[Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??

Wed Dec 21 16:12:51 EST 2011

Otherwise known as getting slapped silly by life

Bill Schlesinger

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Bill Schlesinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:04 PM
To: 'Colleague Dialogue'
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??

Ah, but we acknowledge total depravity as our most reliable doctrinal
contribution!  Spiritual discipline is an invention of those Wesleyan
Enthusiasts called ‘Methodists.’  (Source of their name, really!)  We – of
course – trust in the Sovereignty of God to rein us in <g>.

Bill Schlesinger

Project Vida

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(915) 533-7057 x 207

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 <mailto:pvida at whc.net> pvida at whc.net

www.projectvidaelpaso.org

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[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??

A spiritual discipline extremely difficult for Presbyterians to cultivate .
. .   ;)

Jim Wiegel

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--- On Wed, 12/21/11, Bill Schlesinger <pvida at WHC.NET> wrote:

From: Bill Schlesinger <pvida at WHC.NET>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??
To: "'Colleague Dialogue'" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:10 PM

And successfully avoided the temptation of giving smart-ass replies!

Bill Schlesinger

Project Vida

3607 Rivera Avenue

El Paso, TX 79905

(915) 533-7057 x 207

(915) 533-7158 FAX

pvida at whc.net

www.projectvidaelpaso.org

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From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:04 PM
To: Colleague Dialogue
Cc: Colleague Dialogue
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??

WHAT!!!! You have been stuck in a shallow, surface level grasp of the social
process, for FORTY YEARS?  Oh, my . . .

Probably check the archives of ICA

Jim Wiegel

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Il faut reculer pour mieux sauter.  Montaigne.  (You have to step back in
order to jump).  as people in Mali like to say . . .

On Dec 21, 2011, at 8:22, Ken Fisher <hkf232 at gmail.com> wrote:

James,

It's 'fun' of you to start this thread.

I liked John's 'Merry Christmas' as part of it - as well as his description.

My 1971 (was that more than 40 years ago?) Social Process document only goes
down to 'Reconstructed Universe'.

Where can I get the document that goes to the next level?

and 'Happy New Year',

Ken

On 2011-12-21, at 9:46 AM, James Wiegel wrote:

In the top of the social process triangles, top of the cultural triangle is
common symbols process, lower right is social art process, lower right of
that is eventful consciousness process, lower right of that is reconstructed
universe process, lower left is shattering intrusion, lower right is revised
content, top is contentless context process . . .

Does this clarify?

Jim Wiegel

Jfwiegel at yahoo.com

Il faut reculer pour mieux sauter.  Montaigne.  (You have to step back in
order to jump).  as people in Mali like to say . . .

On Dec 20, 2011, at 22:52, Evelyn Philbrook <joyful52 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Jim and Paul, 

Could we have meant the structure of a contentless process, which is only
informed by the participants responses?

Or could it have been talking about a state of Being, not Doing, or Knowing,
but Being... Contentlessness...not focused on the material, but on presence
of wonder itself.. not necessarily discontented or dissatisfied.
Contentlessness could be about the absence of noise and the bliss of
silence. 

The wonder of words and the reality of the situations in life creates the
context for the meaning of the words and how we use them. Our reflection
gives form to our understanding, and our understanding is how we  live out
the meaning of our lives, in separation, in unity, in fullness and
contentlessness. 

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanuka,

 Evelyn Kurihara Philbrook

On 12/21/2011 4:32 AM, PSchrijnen at aol.com wrote: 

Dear Jim, 

In meetings these days we refer to balancing focus on content and process.
Maybe 'contentless' has to do with focusing on process: the way things are
done rather than what is done. I suspect it must have been more complicated
than that....

Paul

In a message dated 20/12/2011 19:55:18 GMT Standard Time, jfwiegel at yahoo.com
writes:

Looking on the internet, it comes up as

Con`tent´less:  Discontented
<http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Discontented> ; dissatisfied
<http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/dissatisfied> 

What did we mean?  What might be synonyms? 

Jim Wiegel

Many have tried to define creativity, to quantify and qualify it . . .  Some
say it involves imagination;  Whatever your definition of creativity or the
creative process, marvelous creations abound to improve our lives and
inspire us Kaneko Center

401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401
+1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel
jfwiegel at yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> 

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--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Ellie Stock <elliestock at aol.com> wrote:

From: Ellie Stock <elliestock at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Advent song: In the Fullness of Earth's Time
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 1:55 PM

Hi Jack--

There is a tune, but it's not written down.  Our son, who is a musician, is
visiting this weekend and is going to write it down--can send it then.  Til
then it's in my head and on tape...the tune is reminiscent of a madrigal
melody.  It's part of series called New World Madrigals.

Grace and peace,

Ellie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Advent song: In the Fullness of Earth's Time

Ellie, 

Is there a tune with this song?   The words and images are terrific!

Thank you!

Grace & Peace,

Jack

On Dec 17, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Ellie Stock wrote:

Advent and Christmas blessings...

IN THE FULNESS OF EARTH’S TIME

In the fullness of earth’s time

In the silent desert night

Unfolds a rose and lifts its head

To the wonder of dawn’s light

Praising life’s strange plight

            Creation’s timing is perfect

            Its Mystery rebirth

In the stillness of earth’s space

In a crowded city place

Awakes a soul and lifts his head

To the wonder of his fate

Called to lead life’s race

            Creation’s timing is perfect

            Its chosenness rebirth

In the fullness of earth’s time

Across five thousand lands

Stretch the arms of woman and man

To build the earth again

Joined in life’s strange dance

            Creation’s timing is perfect

            Its Mystery rebirth

            Creation’s timing is perfect

            Its chosenness rebirth

                                                ejhs

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