[Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??
KarenBueno at aol.com
KarenBueno at aol.com
Wed Dec 21 22:57:43 EST 2011
I love it! And it is theologically correct!
Karen Bueno
In a message dated 12/21/2011 4:45:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
walters at alaweb.com writes:
When I was at Columbia Seminary in Atlanta n ;69 some body wrote on the
wall inside the mens room - "Justification by Faith is the result of proper
toilet training." M. Luther
-David Walters
--- pvida at whc.net wrote:
From: "Bill Schlesinger" <pvida at whc.net>
To: "'Colleague Dialogue'" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:04:15 -0700
Ah, but we acknowledge total depravity as our most reliable doctrinal
contribution! Spiritual discipline is an invention of those Wesleyan
Enthusiasts called ‘Methodists.’ (Source of their name, really!) We – of course –
trust in the Sovereignty of God to rein us in <g>.
Bill Schlesinger
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[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel
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A spiritual discipline extremely difficult for Presbyterians to cultivate
. . . ;)
Jim Wiegel
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--- On Wed, 12/21/11, Bill Schlesinger <pvida at WHC.NET> wrote:
From: Bill Schlesinger <pvida at WHC.NET>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??
To: "'Colleague Dialogue'" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:10 PM
And successfully avoided the temptation of giving smart-ass replies!
Bill Schlesinger
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[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:04 PM
To: Colleague Dialogue
Cc: Colleague Dialogue
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] What the heck did we mean with "Contentless"??
WHAT!!!! You have been stuck in a shallow, surface level grasp of the
social process, for FORTY YEARS? Oh, my . . .
Probably check the archives of ICA
Jim Wiegel
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Il faut reculer pour mieux sauter. Montaigne. (You have to step back in
order to jump). as people in Mali like to say . . .
On Dec 21, 2011, at 8:22, Ken Fisher <hkf232 at gmail.com> wrote:
James,
It's 'fun' of you to start this thread.
I liked John's 'Merry Christmas' as part of it - as well as his
description.
My 1971 (was that more than 40 years ago?) Social Process document only
goes down to 'Reconstructed Universe'.
Where can I get the document that goes to the next level?
and 'Happy New Year',
Ken
On 2011-12-21, at 9:46 AM, James Wiegel wrote:
In the top of the social process triangles, top of the cultural triangle
is common symbols process, lower right is social art process, lower right
of that is eventful consciousness process, lower right of that is
reconstructed universe process, lower left is shattering intrusion, lower right is
revised content, top is contentless context process . . .
Does this clarify?
Jim Wiegel
Jfwiegel at yahoo.com
Il faut reculer pour mieux sauter. Montaigne. (You have to step back in
order to jump). as people in Mali like to say . . .
On Dec 20, 2011, at 22:52, Evelyn Philbrook <joyful52 at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jim and Paul,
Could we have meant the structure of a contentless process, which is only
informed by the participants responses?
Or could it have been talking about a state of Being, not Doing, or
Knowing, but Being... Contentlessness...not focused on the material, but on
presence of wonder itself.. not necessarily discontented or dissatisfied.
Contentlessness could be about the absence of noise and the bliss of silence.
The wonder of words and the reality of the situations in life creates the
context for the meaning of the words and how we use them. Our reflection
gives form to our understanding, and our understanding is how we live out
the meaning of our lives, in separation, in unity, in fullness and
contentlessness.
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanuka,
Evelyn Kurihara Philbrook
On 12/21/2011 4:32 AM, PSchrijnen at aol.com wrote:
Dear Jim,
In meetings these days we refer to balancing focus on content and process.
Maybe 'contentless' has to do with focusing on process: the way things are
done rather than what is done. I suspect it must have been more
complicated than that....
Paul
In a message dated 20/12/2011 19:55:18 GMT Standard Time,
jfwiegel at yahoo.com writes:
Looking on the internet, it comes up as
Con`tent´less: _Discontented_
(http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Discontented) ; _dissatisfied_
(http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/dissatisfied)
What did we mean? What might be synonyms?
Jim Wiegel
Many have tried to define creativity, to quantify and qualify it . . .
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the creative process, marvelous creations abound to improve our lives and
inspire us Kaneko Center
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+1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel
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--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Ellie Stock <elliestock at aol.com> wrote:
From: Ellie Stock <elliestock at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Advent song: In the Fullness of Earth's Time
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 1:55 PM
Hi Jack--
There is a tune, but it's not written down. Our son, who is a musician,
is visiting this weekend and is going to write it down--can send it then.
Til then it's in my head and on tape...the tune is reminiscent of a
madrigal melody. It's part of series called New World Madrigals.
Grace and peace,
Ellie
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Advent song: In the Fullness of Earth's Time
Ellie,
Is there a tune with this song? The words and images are terrific!
Thank you!
Grace & Peace,
Jack
On Dec 17, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Ellie Stock wrote:
Advent and Christmas blessings...
IN THE FULNESS OF EARTH’S TIME
In the fullness of earth’s time
In the silent desert night
Unfolds a rose and lifts its head
To the wonder of dawn’s light
Praising life’s strange plight
Creation’s timing is perfect
Its Mystery rebirth
In the stillness of earth’s space
In a crowded city place
Awakes a soul and lifts his head
To the wonder of his fate
Called to lead life’s race
Creation’s timing is perfect
Its chosenness rebirth
In the fullness of earth’s time
Across five thousand lands
Stretch the arms of woman and man
To build the earth again
Joined in life’s strange dance
Creation’s timing is perfect
Its Mystery rebirth
Creation’s timing is perfect
Its chosenness rebirth
ejhs
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