[Dialogue] Any info on El Bayad

Wed Feb 9 11:18:19 CST 2011

All of which, Jack, adds to the situation that is causing the problem in the first place.  Thomas Friedman has an excellent oped in today's NY Times.  He draws a parallel between these demonstrations in Egypt and earlier ones China.  Both are precipitated by the young ones, but in China where, they had no politcal participation, most at least had a nominal standard of living.  In Egypt, Friedman points out, they have neither.  If you can find the article, it's worth the read.  I tried to post it on Facebook but not sure if it's there or not.

Randy

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org> wrote:

From: Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Any info on El Bayad
To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:58 AM

This is part of what was written in the NY Times reporting on yesterday's events in Egypt.

.......More than 2,000 textile workers and others in Suez demonstrated as well, Al Ahram reported, while in Luxor thousands hurt by the collapse of the tourist industry marched to demand government benefits. There was no immediate independent corroboration of the reports.
At one factory in the textile town of Mahalla, more than striking 1,500 workers blocked roads, continuing a long-running dispute with the owner. And more than 2,000 workers from the Sigma pharmaceutical company in the city of Quesna went on strike while some 5,000 unemployed youth stormed a government building in Aswan, demanding the dismissal of the governor. 
For many foreign visitors to Egypt, Aswan is known as a starting point or destination for luxury cruises to and from Luxor on the Nile River. The government’s Ministry of Civil Aviation reported on Wednesday that flights to Egypt had dropped by 70 percent since the protests began.

Jack         

On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Wayne Nelson wrote:

I think you’re right, Randy.  It’s huge. Imagine how many people could fit in there. You can imagine all the side streets full as well. 

There was more likely more support for women’s participation than we thought at the time. There was no pattern for women’s involvement at the time, but as far as I know, no one who came was sent home. That we would have heard about. Some women didn’t come, simply because they did not go out of the home much at all. Thinking about it now, I suspect there was far more conversation about than we imagined.  There would have to have been.  That sort of cultural ripple could not have gone without notice. We just didn’t get to hear all of it. 

I see Yassin’s wife, Nagwa Abd El Moinem, on facebook too. Haven’t caught either her or Sabah for a chat yet.

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"R Williams"  wrote:

Isn't that traffic circle near Tahrir Square the place where stands (or stood) the huge statue, attributed to Madam Sadat, of the Egyptian woman standing in traditional Muslim garb with her left had holding the veil away from her face and her right hand on the head of the Lion of Egypt which was kneeling at her feet?  I remember seeing this statue in some traffic circle in Cairo, if not the one at Tahrir Square.  A depiction of the statue also appeared on some Egyptian paper currency.  At the time some people referred to the statue as "the new Egypt," and others as "the new Egyptian woman."  It certainly reflected the spirit of the women of Bayad who participated in the HDP consult, as I recall without the approval of their husbands.

Randy

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca> wrote:

From: Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Any info on El Bayad
To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 9:45 AM

We have not had any direct contact.  Sabah Khalifa, ICA's ED, is back on her
Facebook account.  She lives in Beni Suef with her husband, Mohammed Gorrany
Ali.  Gorrany was the guy who ran the health clinic in the 70's. He and
Mohammed Hassan Oais are both on ICA's staff. We knew these guys as kids and
their parents were good friends.

Another friend in Minia, about an hour's drive from Bayad said nothing is
happening there. I don't think demonstrations have spread to the regional
cities.  They all seem to be watching.  He announced the anticipated birth
of triplets in September by saying, "My children will be born in the new
Egypt."   

My guess is that nothing at all is happening around Bayad and Beni Suef of
any magnitude.  

The demonstration is spreading throughout Cairo, beyond Tahrir Square.
That's the huge area with a massive traffic circle.  The "Mogamma', the big
federal building is at the the south end, the Nile Hilton along the river
and the Egyptian Museum at the north.  It's probably a full kilometer from
north to south and at least that wide.

\\/

"George Holcombe"  wrote:

> Sarah Buss was in an auto accident recently and is presently not able to spend
> time to retrieve all our emails, but she did ask about El Bayad and if anyone
> has any contact with the people there.

Thanks.

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