[Dialogue] Any info on El Bayad

Wayne Nelson wnelson at ica-associates.ca
Wed Feb 9 11:43:21 CST 2011


Marilyn Crocker tells that story too.  A big wind came up around that moment
and some of the tent came down or loose.  A surprise mess. Marilyn managed
to shift the room when it was reset after the wind; so the back of the room
where the women were sitting became the front. I gather there was a lot of
nudge ­ nudge ­ wink ­ wink among the women when that happened.  I was
around, but not in the tent for that incident. My assignment was logistics
as I recall; so I missed most of the actual consultation itself.

\\/


"R Williams"  wrote:

> Wayne,
>  
> There's a story that came out of the consult that one night during one of the
> plenaries there was a stirring at the back of the tent and all the Bayad women
> walked in en masse.  They sat together toward the back of the room instead of
> with their husbands who were up front, but nonetheless participated eargerly
> and actively in the work.
>  
> I was not there, but since I know the story frequently becomes the event, and
> since I myself as well as many others have told the story many times, I know
> it must be true.
>  
> Randy
> 
> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Any info on El Bayad
>> To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:46 AM
>> 
>> I think you’re right, Randy.  It’s huge. Imagine how many people could fit in
>> there. You can imagine all the side streets full as well.
>> 
>> There was more likely more support for women’s participation than we thought
>> at the time. There was no pattern for women’s involvement at the time, but as
>> far as I know, no one who came was sent home. That we would have heard about.
>> Some women didn’t come, simply because they did not go out of the home much
>> at all. Thinking about it now, I suspect there was far more conversation
>> about than we imagined.  There would have to have been.  That sort of
>> cultural ripple could not have gone without notice. We just didn’t get to
>> hear all of it. 
>> 
>> I see Yassin’s wife, Nagwa Abd El Moinem, on facebook too. Haven’t caught
>> either her or Sabah for a chat yet.
>> 
>> \\/
>> 
>> 
>> "R Williams"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Isn't that traffic circle near Tahrir Square the place where stands (or
>>> stood) the huge statue, attributed to Madam Sadat, of the Egyptian woman
>>> standing in traditional Muslim garb with her left had holding the veil away
>>> from her face and her right hand on the head of the Lion of Egypt which was
>>> kneeling at her feet?  I remember seeing this statue in some traffic circle
>>> in Cairo, if not the one at Tahrir Square.  A depiction of the statue also
>>> appeared on some Egyptian paper currency.  At the time some people referred
>>> to the statue as "the new Egypt," and others as "the new Egyptian woman."
>>> It certainly reflected the spirit of the women of Bayad who participated in
>>> the HDP consult, as I recall without the approval of their husbands.
>>>  
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Any info on El Bayad
>>>> To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 9:45 AM
>>>> 
>>>> We have not had any direct contact.  Sabah Khalifa, ICA's ED, is back on
>>>> her
>>>> Facebook account.  She lives in Beni Suef with her husband, Mohammed
>>>> Gorrany
>>>> Ali.  Gorrany was the guy who ran the health clinic in the 70's. He and
>>>> Mohammed Hassan Oais are both on ICA's staff. We knew these guys as kids
>>>> and
>>>> their parents were good friends.
>>>> 
>>>> Another friend in Minia, about an hour's drive from Bayad said nothing is
>>>> happening there. I don't think demonstrations have spread to the regional
>>>> cities.  They all seem to be watching.  He announced the anticipated birth
>>>> of triplets in September by saying, "My children will be born in the new
>>>> Egypt."   
>>>> 
>>>> My guess is that nothing at all is happening around Bayad and Beni Suef of
>>>> any magnitude.
>>>> 
>>>> The demonstration is spreading throughout Cairo, beyond Tahrir Square.
>>>> That's the huge area with a massive traffic circle.  The "Mogamma', the big
>>>> federal building is at the the south end, the Nile Hilton along the river
>>>> and the Egyptian Museum at the north.  It's probably a full kilometer from
>>>> north to south and at least that wide.
>>>> 
>>>> \\/
>>>> 
>>>> "George Holcombe"  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> > Sarah Buss was in an auto accident recently and is presently not able to
>>>>> spend
>>>>> > time to retrieve all our emails, but she did ask about El Bayad and if
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> > has any contact with the people there.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> George Holcombe
>>>> 14900
>>>>> > Yellowleaf Tr.
>>>> Austin, TX 78728
>>>> Mobile
>>>>> > 512/252-2756
>>>> geowanda at earthlink.net
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>>>> 
>>>> “...we have the choice: we can
>>>>> > gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast
>>>>> network, or
>>>>> > we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.”  Brother
>>>>> David
>>>>> > Steindl-Rast, Deeper than
>>>>> > Words
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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