[Dialogue] Social process triangles

W. J. synergi at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 19 02:58:33 CST 2011 

That would be "creates, judges, and sustains." Which happens to be a trinitarian 
formulation.
The permeators did an entire quarter of writing the C/J/S descriptors every 
weekend in the gym on the West Side. My job was to write the procedures that 
this group used to come up with the three sentences or phrases that described 
each category, and this process was used to take the triangles down to the 
seventh level and check them for comprehensiveness and internal consistency 
throughout the model, thus doing the refinement of the categories into a first 
draft of the SP triangles, all of which was redone and refined during the summer 
assembly to finalize the categories.
Then there was the origin of the 'unbalanced' triangular model, in which we 
tried to articulate how each of the categories in a triangle--foundational, 
etc., etc. was dominant/tyrant, etc., etc.
As I remember it. Altogether kind of vaguely. Considering my age and generally 
mentally fuzzy condition of ongoing senior moments. Etc. That's my story and I'm 
sticking to it.
Marshall
 



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From: George Packard <george.packard1 at rcn.com>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 3:27:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Social process triangles


Jim, 
On early Triangle research:
There was a group as early as 1967-9 who worked on a Dynamic  Sociology course. 
It was made up of mainly permeaters who were working in social  work (Weren't 
you in that group?). I think the motivation was to invent a course  to bring in 
their colleagues in social work like the Imaginal Ed course was  originally 
intended for teachers and schools. That taskforce had the eco,  pol, 
cult. dynamics and may have even had the first level triangles.  How much of 
that they invented or how much came out of the CS1 or Sociology and  history I 
don't know. I attended a few of their sessions as a commuter but it is  now a 
blur. Then came the summer assembly that took the triangles down  to the 7 or 9 
level draft and then back to the consensus at four. Then  my memory recalls Jim 
Wiegel managing the ecclesiola work on the dynamics  of "supports, limits, and 
sustains", and the documents on the relational  arrows. 
George


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Subject: [Dialogue] Social process  triangles


This is likely an old timer question.  I was invOlved in working on  the social 
process triangles from January of 1971.  Who knows anything of  their prior 
history?  I am pretty sure that when I took the sociology and  history course 
with the Ecumenical Institute in January of 1967.  the  sociology part was 
organized around economic, political and cultural.   

What else can we recall?
Thanks.

Jim Wiegel 
Jfwiegel at yahoo.com

On Jan 18, 2011, at 9:52, "Martin Gilbraith (ICA:UK)" <martin at ica-uk.org.uk>  
wrote:


many thanks all, this has been very insightful.  I    attach a compilation of 
your responses in Word, with bold added by me    to highlight some key themes.  
I'd welcome any further thoughts,    recollections or references.
>
>In the meantime I hope contributors are    happy for me to share this with 
>ICA:UK colleagues here.  best    wishes,
>Martin
>
>
>
>On 11/01/2011 15:46, Martin Gilbraith    (ICA:UK) wrote: 
>Hi everyone, I am hoping that colleagues with longer memories      might be able 
>to help me with some history please...
>>
>>The 'big idea'      of the UK's new coalition government is Big Society - 
>>variously, applauded      as empowering the people, and/or derided as a cynical 
>>cover for devastating      public spending cuts - see 
>>http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk/policy-campaigns-research/big-society/big-society
>>
>>A      major initiative within this agenda is a forthcoming Government-funded      
>>programme to train and support a cadre of 5,000 Community Organisers,      
>>explicitly based on the principles of Saul Alinsky and Paulo Friere -      see 
>>http://www.urbanforum.org.uk/briefings/community-organisers-briefing
>>
>>I      beleive that Friere was an influence on the early development of EI/ICA's      
>>methods and approach, and I understand that Alinsky was developing Community      
>>Organising in Chicago around the same time as EI/ICA was in Fifth      City.  
>>
>>
>>What I would really like to learn more about is to      what extent and how did 
>>Friere and/or Alinsky influence the develpment of      EI/ICA and our methods 
>>and approach; and to what extent and how might      our methods and approach 
>>have influenced the development of Community      Organising?
>>
>>My partner Derek put this same question, more or      less, to George Packard 
>>several years ago when he was here in the UK just      after Derek had taken a 
>>course in Faith-based Community Organising through      his local Unitarian 
>>church - but I don't much remember what he said, and I'd      love to have any 
>>more specific recollections and (better still) any      documents that might be 
>>relevant.
>>
>>I am hoping this might inform how      we seek to position ICA:UK in relation to 
>>this emerging new agenda, and that      I might draft an article (for ICA:UK 
>>Network News if not also elsewhere)      based on what I receive.
>>
>>many thanks for any recollections or      insights you can offer, best wishes,
>>Martin
>>
>>
>> 
>>-- 
>> 
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5RF
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