[Dialogue] NRM & NSV

[Jack Gilles]

Ken,

I agree on your comments regarding our work and the NSV/NRM.  I think we actually need to consider the three major pieces of work we produced, NRM, OW and Profound Humanness.  The last one has not received the kind of analysis and applications work it deserves.  I have spent time trying to bring all three into a relationship set and would be glad to share it for those interested.  

It is rather amazing that so much of the work we did from the late sixties through the early eighties has yet to be effectively shared with the world.  Yes, there has been some books and some programs, but by-in-large we haven't done justice to any of the three.  This is presently part of my passion to find ways to get our living legacy in forms and forums for the next generation of spirit colleagues.  We just finished a three day PSU(?) with colleagues here in Mexico doing just that.  Present were David and Margaret Scott, George Walters, Bob & Judy Fishel, Jim Addington, Geroge West, Judith Hamje, Pam Bergdall and several others that participated part time from our community here.  Also we had 10 or so who were with us via Skype for all or part of our conversation including the Holcombes, Steve Harrington and Gordon Harper.  Lots of good stuff generated as well as work we intend to pursue.  The work (audio, video, and note taking) are presently being compiled and will be posted on our Repository site.  Very exciting and something a large number can help in giving form to.  Hope you'll be part of this research.

Peace,

Jack
On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Ken Fisher wrote:

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> Friends,
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> I am intrigued with Steve's comments about Lens and the OW, and a current exploration of the relationship between the NRM and the NSV.  One cannot have one without the other.
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>> There was a time when the LENS seminar had
>> -ronin readings
>> -other world charts
>> -imbalance triangles
>> -phases, balance of venturing/conserving, context arrows
>> -singing
>> -toys & and an awe center
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>> Gradually LENS became more process oriented, less context.
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>> Did anyone ever put the 
>> Land of Mystery, River of Conscious, Mountain of Care and Sea of Tranquility 
>> [the other world in this world] into action 
>> -Hoksai Art
>> -S72 Charts of the Other World
>> -personal reflection on trek poetry
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>> I remember a huge OW chart was in the Mpls house solarium in 1973  and there was a law firm party at the house. The lawyers and their wives were transfixed & intrigued by the poetry but they never quite figured out what the chart was about.
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>> I believe Jon and Maureen Jenkins did some work with Shell Oil and wrote a book
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>> I know Bruce Hanson used the images at a a electronics company in Japan and a Proctor and Gamble consulting projects - He teaches at an MBA program in California and  wrote about it in his PHD dissertation. I asked him if he would do an online talk about it. I think he might do it.
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>> Anyone else find a way to create something with the phenomenology of the other world in this world? 
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>> Steve 
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> For me, Jim's (and very much JWM's) concluding words from 1974 raise a contemporary and timeless question about the universal spirit journey as well as its relationship with any New Social Vehicle.  
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> "What intrigues me most about corporateness, problem solving and motivity is that each of them holds you over against the same thing you discovered in the Dark Night of the Soul. A man who has never been humiliated does not understand contradictions. Once you know life is humiliation, you lose your passion for some objective and you can create; all you care about is dealing with that thing you are over against in the midst of life. The rest of your life, you only care about responding to what you can never seem to get a hold of.
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> Once you understand the weakness that is your life, you are driven to corporateness in a strange way. When you are driven to corporateness, you find that you are weak but strong in the midst of your weakness, because you have the whole Order, or the whole House.
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> At the same time, when you discover resentment in your life, you see the only thing that turns people into zombies is letting their resentment get related to some specific thing in their lives. Motivity has to do with relating resentment to the unsynonomous. When your resentment is related to God, it turns into motivity, or raw drive. This is a profound happening which has no way out. To be the Religious is to be the Revolutionary. We are doomed as human beings to be the New Social Vehicle and to do the New Social Vehicle not because of what we have done, but because of the intrusion, the alien image which has happened in our time and in our lives.
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> With demonstration, we are out to show what it is to be the ones of the Dark Night at the same time as being the ones of the New Social Vehicle."
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> Gene Marshall's latest book "Jacob's Dream - A Christian Inquiry into Spirit Realization" is one of his best and certainly is original.  Using the Enneagram, a Sufi creation, he describes 'nine ways home'; the spirit process that any and every individual could take, in moving through one's attachment to a persona to seeking and accepting the transparentization of self to the mysteriousness of 'trust', 'love' and 'freedom'.  It is a momentous exploration of the transformation to ones essence offered through the experience of the 'dark night of the soul'.  While this occupies a significant portion of the book, he also expands on 'the experience' rather than the 'belief' and the need for community (corporateness).
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> I recognize the conundrum of trying to use universal spirit language and/or Christian symbols.  Personally, I choose to use the word symbols of our 4000 year old lineage of consciousness and let them stand for themselves - as well as state their undeniable universality.
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> I very much wish that Gene was a part of this conversation.
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> Ken
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