[Dialogue] NRM & NSV

[Gene Marshall]

Dear Friends,

Hello to so many of you old friends,

Thank you Ken for inviting me into your discussions.

Ken is correct about my book Jacob's Dream being on the topic of OW and  NRM.  For this book, I  carefully reviewed the states of being diagramed in the Other World charts and NRM charts and have given all these states of being  a slightly new gestalt, worked out with help from my dialogue with A. H. Almaas and his descriptions of states of essence.   You can see this new gestalt in chapters 2, 6, 7, 8, and 9.

In The Call of the Awe, the prequel to Jacob's Dream,  I began working on states of being through the category of Awe or the Holy  (dread, fascination, and courage).  My aim in both of these books has been to make the Mathews-inspired breakthroughs more teachable and more clearly related to the Christian vocabulary.  I have also imported a great deal of help from Buddhist writers.

I am very interested in these topics and am in the process of finishing a third book in this area entitled The Enigma of Consciousness.  This book works more directly on the New Religious Mode as a secular happening that contexts all religious renewal and on some implications for what we used to call the New Social Vehicle.

I am also part of small team that is finishing up a book on Social Ethics that more directly explores the NSV topic.  We are calling this book The Road from Empire to Eco-Democracy.

Working on these projects for so many years has gathered together a lot of stuff.  If any of you want to dialogue about any particular part of all this, I probably have some thoughts about it, and would be glad to share and explore further with you.

For a viable humanity on planet EAARTH,

Gene Marshall

For information on these books and more, check out our web site: http://www.RealisticLiving.org
And view our blog: http://www.RealisticLiving.org/blog/ 



On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Ken Fisher wrote:

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> Friends,
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> I am intrigued with Steve's comments about Lens and the OW, and a current exploration of the relationship between the NRM and the NSV.  One cannot have one without the other.
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>> There was a time when the LENS seminar had
>> -ronin readings
>> -other world charts
>> -imbalance triangles
>> -phases, balance of venturing/conserving, context arrows
>> -singing
>> -toys & and an awe center
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>> Gradually LENS became more process oriented, less context.
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>> Did anyone ever put the 
>> Land of Mystery, River of Conscious, Mountain of Care and Sea of Tranquility 
>> [the other world in this world] into action 
>> -Hoksai Art
>> -S72 Charts of the Other World
>> -personal reflection on trek poetry
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>> I remember a huge OW chart was in the Mpls house solarium in 1973  and there was a law firm party at the house. The lawyers and their wives were transfixed & intrigued by the poetry but they never quite figured out what the chart was about.
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>> I believe Jon and Maureen Jenkins did some work with Shell Oil and wrote a book
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>> I know Bruce Hanson used the images at a a electronics company in Japan and a Proctor and Gamble consulting projects - He teaches at an MBA program in California and  wrote about it in his PHD dissertation. I asked him if he would do an online talk about it. I think he might do it.
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>> Anyone else find a way to create something with the phenomenology of the other world in this world? 
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>> Steve 
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> For me, Jim's (and very much JWM's) concluding words from 1974 raise a contemporary and timeless question about the universal spirit journey as well as its relationship with any New Social Vehicle.  
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> "What intrigues me most about corporateness, problem solving and motivity is that each of them holds you over against the same thing you discovered in the Dark Night of the Soul. A man who has never been humiliated does not understand contradictions. Once you know life is humiliation, you lose your passion for some objective and you can create; all you care about is dealing with that thing you are over against in the midst of life. The rest of your life, you only care about responding to what you can never seem to get a hold of.
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> Once you understand the weakness that is your life, you are driven to corporateness in a strange way. When you are driven to corporateness, you find that you are weak but strong in the midst of your weakness, because you have the whole Order, or the whole House.
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> At the same time, when you discover resentment in your life, you see the only thing that turns people into zombies is letting their resentment get related to some specific thing in their lives. Motivity has to do with relating resentment to the unsynonomous. When your resentment is related to God, it turns into motivity, or raw drive. This is a profound happening which has no way out. To be the Religious is to be the Revolutionary. We are doomed as human beings to be the New Social Vehicle and to do the New Social Vehicle not because of what we have done, but because of the intrusion, the alien image which has happened in our time and in our lives.
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> With demonstration, we are out to show what it is to be the ones of the Dark Night at the same time as being the ones of the New Social Vehicle."
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> Gene Marshall's latest book "Jacob's Dream - A Christian Inquiry into Spirit Realization" is one of his best and certainly is original.  Using the Enneagram, a Sufi creation, he describes 'nine ways home'; the spirit process that any and every individual could take, in moving through one's attachment to a persona to seeking and accepting the transparentization of self to the mysteriousness of 'trust', 'love' and 'freedom'.  It is a momentous exploration of the transformation to ones essence offered through the experience of the 'dark night of the soul'.  While this occupies a significant portion of the book, he also expands on 'the experience' rather than the 'belief' and the need for community (corporateness).
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> I recognize the conundrum of trying to use universal spirit language and/or Christian symbols.  Personally, I choose to use the word symbols of our 4000 year old lineage of consciousness and let them stand for themselves - as well as state their undeniable universality.
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> I very much wish that Gene was a part of this conversation.
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> Ken
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