[Dialogue] Present Reality

Sun May 1 22:27:56 CDT 2011

Where does the needed new story/foundation come from?  It is created.  Perhaps we can be part of that creation - even by affirming/re-assembling insights/partnerships that strike us powerfully. Do new story elements need to relate somehow to effective action?  To spirit practices?

I find John's 4 dimensions - archaic, futuric, cosmic, and depth - really helpful and thought-provoking.  Would like to explore more.  First thoughts:  None of these 4 is strictly on a particular part of a timeline, seems to me.  Even tho archaic may seem to refer to past, futuric to future - even these, and certainly cosmic/depth, can break in and add meaning at any point.  

I too hope that the 50th anniversary thinking will yield some clues to the roles of these 4 dimensions. It's great that John is raising this question.  We are more apt to notice something if we are looking for it.

My own experience last May with a week working in the archives:  Awe at the struggles (including reports from folks out over nothing).  Admiration for the connections and interchange structures that were created. Amazement at the sheer sweep of the work.  Nifty answers to paste in to present dilemmas?  No.  A place to cry over structures that are no more?  Good grief no - don't come to Chicago to do that - if anyone must, you can do that at home.  I don't know how much others will use the archives - that remains to be seen.  But there is a lot there that just might set thoughts and hearts spinning in new directions - including whoever of us still feels a profound call via O:E.

Janice Ulangca

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Cock 
  To: 'Colleague Dialogue' 
  Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:26 PM
  Subject: [Dialogue] Present Reality

  Present reality is in our left-brain/right-brain understanding of the archaic, futuric, cosmic, and depth dimensions that guide us in considered action (maybe not split-second action). Inclusive and strategic practical action comes from such a dynamic swirl. At issue is denying our best take on reality by overweighing or lopping off any of these four indices.

  Thanks for posing the practical matter of our archives (as well as the legacy meeting and books out of last year). It would be good also to focus practically on our futuric, cosmic, and depth wisdom since 1988, say. Maybe the 50th anniversay can guide us here.

  Respectfully,

  John

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  From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lawrence Philbrook
  Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:03 PM
  To: Colleague Dialogue
  Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Stick Chart Navigators

  This is not an either or choice.  

  All maps stick or otherwise are based on the past, life is based on living into the now, purpose or mission is based on sensing the "called for" future knowing that I do not know, even more knowing that large pieces of the future will only come clear in retrospect.  

  I have always been a do then learn then do kind of tactical practitioner but I like having access to the wisdom of the archives.

  With respect, Larry

Lawrence Philbrook
Director, Institute of Cultural Affairs Taiwan 
www.icatw.com Tel: 8862-2871-3150 Fax: 8862-2871-2870
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President ICA International/ Member Global Leadership Team
ICAI Office c/o ICA Canada, 655 Queen Street East
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  On 5/2/2011 8:47 AM, DOUGLAS DRUCKENMILLER wrote: 
    Well, some of us are academics (boo) and need documentation for papers and other research -- so that's one thing of a practical nature to do with the archived stuff. Spend a day or two around the Archive project and see how useful -- and fun  - it is. 
    Pat

    > From: lees.mail at comcast.net
    > Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:51:24 -0700
    > To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
    > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Stick Chart Navigators
    > 
    > I gotta go with Jimmy Wiegal on this one. I said something along these lines on a Skype link to our gathered colleagues in Mexico a month or so ago. Gilles was hosting. Leah and I were at Gordon's house with Nancy Lampher, Carol Crow, Roxy, and Dorthea Jewell. As I recall, it was David Brooks who said recently that what society needs, at this time, is a new story, a new foundation. 
    > 
    > A very close friend of mine, who will remain nameless, said it might be possible that what the old order is tying to do is deny death. (The archives were the context for this statement.) My friend then ask me when I had experienced myself out over nothing - not knowing what to do - and having to do something. I did recall a time or two in my life when that was the case. My friend then asked if I went digging around in an archive somewhere, or look up the answer in a book. No, I hadn't. I do not believe any of us, in a similar situation would have either. This begs the question therefore, why is the order doing this?. who is the intended audience?, under what circumstances would anyone ever stop what they are doing and search for ICA archives? Would they even know what to Google?
    > 
    > Stick charts are based on some very solid earth science, star navigation and wave action. (Oh and experience) There are four variables. Direction, location, distance and time. Distance will determine time when the guy in the outrigger is chanting a specific time or rhythm to measure distance. So, I suppose there are three variables if you combine distance and time.
    > 
    > I'm sure some will say that the way life is is the way life is. Maybe, but the story surely has changed and I don't hear a new story or foundation up here in the sunny northwest. Must be getting too much sun.
    > 
    > Lee
    > 
    > 
    > On May 1, 2011, at 2:19 PM, steve har wrote:
    > 
    > > Very interesting Q&A 
    > > 
    > > Randy asks: "how to put the Event and the Story distinctions to work"
    > > Gene answers: " with the New Religious Mode distinction"
    > > Interesting interchange! Listening for more...
    > > 
    > > But It is a puzzle too:
    > > one guy in a without a map searching
    > > one guy in a with a Joe Mathews map, he says, of the way life is 
    > > 
    > > 2 life conditions either 
    > > without a story and looking for one or
    > > with a story and trying to fit it to the world
    > > 
    > > Like those Marshall Islanders navigators with their stick charts
    > > off on a voyage listening to rhythm of the waves hit the prow of the boat looking for that island but, 
    > > back home making stick charts trying to remember the pattern
    > > 
    > > Grandpa Navagators bouncing the babies on their knees training future navigators is what Wiegel says there is to do now
    > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Islands_stick_chart
    > > 
    > > searching for a story...won't do
    > > admiring old stories... won't do either
    > > no way forward, no way back...
    > > How about you?
    > > 
    > > Steve Harrington
    > > 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > -- 
    > > Steve Harrington
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