[Dialogue] Present Reality

RICHARD HOWIE rhowie3 at verizon.net
Tue May 3 06:31:35 CDT 2011 

As reports come in from all the activities in 2012 it would be  
interesting to use the screen that John, Janice and others point to  
in discerning our ICA-USA actions in the coming times.
Ellen
On May 1, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Janice Ulangca wrote:

> Where does the needed new story/foundation come from?  It is  
> created.  Perhaps we can be part of that creation - even by  
> affirming/re-assembling insights/partnerships that strike us  
> powerfully. Do new story elements need to relate somehow to  
> effective action?  To spirit practices?
>
> I find John's 4 dimensions - archaic, futuric, cosmic, and depth -  
> really helpful and thought-provoking.  Would like to explore more.   
> First thoughts:  None of these 4 is strictly on a particular part  
> of a timeline, seems to me.  Even tho archaic may seem to refer to  
> past, futuric to future - even these, and certainly cosmic/depth,  
> can break in and add meaning at any point.
>
> I too hope that the 50th anniversary thinking will yield some clues  
> to the roles of these 4 dimensions. It's great that John is raising  
> this question.  We are more apt to notice something if we are  
> looking for it.
>
> My own experience last May with a week working in the archives:   
> Awe at the struggles (including reports from folks out over  
> nothing).  Admiration for the connections and interchange  
> structures that were created. Amazement at the sheer sweep of the  
> work.  Nifty answers to paste in to present dilemmas?  No.  A place  
> to cry over structures that are no more?  Good grief no - don't  
> come to Chicago to do that - if anyone must, you can do that at  
> home.  I don't know how much others will use the archives - that  
> remains to be seen.  But there is a lot there that just might set  
> thoughts and hearts spinning in new directions - including whoever  
> of us still feels a profound call via O:E.
>
> Janice Ulangca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Cock
> To: 'Colleague Dialogue'
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:26 PM
> Subject: [Dialogue] Present Reality
>
> Present reality is in our left-brain/right-brain understanding of  
> the archaic, futuric, cosmic, and depth dimensions that guide us in  
> considered action (maybe not split-second action). Inclusive and  
> strategic practical action comes from such a dynamic swirl. At  
> issue is denying our best take on reality by overweighing or  
> lopping off any of these four indices.
>
> Thanks for posing the practical matter of our archives (as well as  
> the legacy meeting and books out of last year). It would be good  
> also to focus practically on our futuric, cosmic, and depth wisdom  
> since 1988, say. Maybe the 50th anniversay can guide us here.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> John
> From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue- 
> bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lawrence Philbrook
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:03 PM
> To: Colleague Dialogue
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Stick Chart Navigators
>
> This is not an either or choice.
>
> All maps stick or otherwise are based on the past, life is based on  
> living into the now, purpose or mission is based on sensing the  
> "called for" future knowing that I do not know, even more knowing  
> that large pieces of the future will only come clear in retrospect.
>
> I have always been a do then learn then do kind of tactical  
> practitioner but I like having access to the wisdom of the archives.
>
> With respect, Larry
> Lawrence Philbrook
> Director, Institute of Cultural Affairs Taiwan
> www.icatw.com Tel: 8862-2871-3150 Fax: 8862-2871-2870
> Skype: icalarry
>
> President ICA International/ Member Global Leadership Team
> ICAI Office c/o ICA Canada, 655 Queen Street East
> Toronto, ON.  M4M 1G4 Canada
> www.ica-international.org
>
> On 5/2/2011 8:47 AM, DOUGLAS DRUCKENMILLER wrote:
>>
>> Well, some of us are academics (boo) and need documentation for  
>> papers and other research -- so that's one thing of a practical  
>> nature to do with the archived stuff. Spend a day or two around  
>> the Archive project and see how useful -- and fun  - it is.
>> Pat
>>
>> > From: lees.mail at comcast.net
>> > Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:51:24 -0700
>> > To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Stick Chart Navigators
>> >
>> > I gotta go with Jimmy Wiegal on this one. I said something along  
>> these lines on a Skype     link to our gathered colleagues in  
>> Mexico a month or so ago. Gilles was hosting. Leah and I were at  
>> Gordon's house with Nancy Lampher, Carol Crow, Roxy, and Dorthea  
>> Jewell. As I recall, it was David Brooks who said recently that  
>> what society needs, at this time, is a new story, a new foundation.
>> >
>> > A very close friend of mine, who will remain nameless, said it  
>> might be possible that what the old order is tying to do is deny  
>> death. (The archives were the context for this statement.) My  
>> friend then ask me when I had experienced myself out over nothing  
>> - not knowing what to do - and having to do something. I did  
>> recall a time or two in my life when     that was the case. My  
>> friend then asked if I went digging around in an archive  
>> somewhere, or look up the answer in a book. No, I hadn't. I do not  
>> believe any of us, in a similar situation would have either. This  
>> begs the question therefore, why is the order doing this?. who is  
>> the intended audience?, under what circumstances would anyone ever  
>> stop what they are doing and search for ICA archives? Would they  
>> even know what to Google?
>> >
>> > Stick charts are based on some very solid earth science, star  
>> navigation and wave action. (Oh and experience) There are four  
>> variables. Direction, location, distance and time. Distance will  
>> determine time when the guy in the outrigger is chanting a  
>> specific time or rhythm to measure distance. So, I suppose there  
>> are three variables if you combine distance and time.
>> >
>> > I'm sure some will say that the way life is is the way life is.  
>> Maybe, but the story surely has changed and I don't hear a new  
>> story or foundation up here in the sunny northwest. Must be  
>> getting too much sun.
>> >
>> > Lee
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 1, 2011, at 2:19 PM, steve har wrote:
>> >
>> > > Very interesting Q&A
>> > >
>> > > Randy asks: "how to put the Event and the Story distinctions  
>> to work"
>> > > Gene answers: " with the New Religious Mode distinction"
>> > > Interesting interchange! Listening for more...
>> > >
>> > > But It is a puzzle too:
>> > > one guy in a without a map searching
>> > > one guy in a with a Joe Mathews map, he says, of the way life is
>> > >
>> > > 2 life conditions either
>> > > without a story and looking for one or
>> > > with a story and trying to fit it to the world
>> > >
>> > > Like those Marshall Islanders navigators with their stick charts
>> > > off on a voyage listening to rhythm of the waves hit the prow  
>> of the boat looking for that island but,
>> > > back home making stick charts trying to remember the pattern
>> > >
>> > > Grandpa Navagators bouncing the babies on their knees training  
>> future navigators is what Wiegel says there is to do now
>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Islands_stick_chart
>> > >
>> > > searching for a story...won't do
>> > > admiring old stories... won't do either
>> > > no way forward, no way back...
>> > > How about you?
>> > >
>> > > Steve Harrington
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Steve Harrington
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