[Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope

[Jack Gilles]

John,

Check out JWM's 1975 talk.

Jack




On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:22 PM, John Cock wrote:

> This is a good stream. Started me brooding on the "hope beyond hope." When did we use that phrase?
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> John
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> Subject: [Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope
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> I think I agree with the speaker that hopelessness kills people in the face of a cancer diagnosis. Remarkable Recovery was an important book to me in my lymphoma experience. It documents many people recovering from terminal diagnoses. I don't agree with your speaker's second statement. It is trust in your destiny, in this moment and for the future, that is helpful. No one knows they're going to heaven.
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> My memoir of my journey with cancer might be helpful:Illness as Initiation: an unlikely heroine's journey at http://booklocker.com/books/5100.html.
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> Conquering hope, IMHO, is what I attempt when I sit in stillness to meditate and let go of my self, my personal history, my possessions, my thoughts, my beliefs (e.g. in heaven), my hopes, my dreams, my fears. To travel back to before the big bang and identify with the mystery that was present in nothingness. Watching Fred McGuire really let go of everything on his journey to death taught me what meditation is for.
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> Blessings, Jim. May all of us, especially your daughter-in-law, be well and free from suffering,
> Jann McGuire
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> On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:49 AM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Listening to the Healing Cancer World Summit (daughter in law has rectal cancer) as I read your message, Bill . . . 2 comments from the speaker:
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>> Hopelessness is the killer, not cancer.
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>> Then, later, he said:  People who know they are going to heaven have a better chance of surviving cancer because they know where they are going . . .
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>> So, what is the relation between "going to heaven"  and "conquering hope" and "hopelessness"?
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>> Jim Wiegel
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