[Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope

Fri Oct 28 06:22:28 EDT 2011

 From another poet...

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul
And sings the tune without the words
And never stops at all.

Emily Dickenson

Thank you all for wonderful quotes this week.

Beret

At 11:23 PM 10/27/2011, you wrote:
>I’m not sure I know what I’m talking about, but 
>will add 2cents worth. A little contextual 
>statement first (as I watch the wild World Series game).
>*****
>Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hopeyou do 
>not have anything to do with it. It just 
>appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an 
>alienit just appeareth! You do not even know 
>why you hope. How in the world could you hope 
>when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope?
>        ~JWM, “The Heavenly Vision,” para. 10, 
> Priors’ Council, 3/10/75 (Thanks, Jack.)
>
>“Hope beyond hope” does not depend on me nor 
>anything related to me in this world, 
>finallyfaith, spiritual practices, family, 
>sociality, therapies. “Hope beyond my hope” is 
>not hoping the future will turn out the way I 
>pray, but that hope will forever be part of 
>reality, regardless of what I want. Bottom line: I do not engineer hope.
>
>“Hope beyond my hoping” is hope of the Other 
>World that sometimes appears to me in This 
>World. Like grace, hope is always present now, 
>as utter gift, unmerited. And “hope beyond my hope” does not disappoint.
>
>Hope appears when it appears. It happens or does 
>not happen. Yet, it is forever at the heart of 
>existence, always at the heart of my present 
>situation, in spite of my despair and hopelessness.
>
>O Thou, I hope. Help Thou my hopelessness.
>
>*****
>Go Cardinals. I have a bet on you. I hope you win.
>
>John
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>From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net 
>[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Bill Schlesinger
>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:54 PM
>To: 'Colleague Dialogue'
>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope
>
>Hopelessness is despair.  Hope is a wish dream – 
>and we all know how God relates to visionary 
>dreamers.  Conquering hope is acknowledging and 
>embracing the knowledge that the dark abyss will 
>claim us and all our works – and trusting 
>ourselves to that destiny without escaping its 
>compassion, or the responsibility of being 
>linked to all that is that it thrusts upon 
>us.  In a three story universe, we may hope for 
>heaven and fear hell.  In this universe, we can 
>only trust in the wonder and mystery that – often – appears as the abyss.
>
>Whether we die of cancer or boredom, we will 
>certainly die.  Kaz claims that dying one way 
>‘fructifies the earth.’  Seems to me to be a good way to go.
>
>Bill Schlesinger
>Project Vida
>3607 Rivera Avenue
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>From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net 
>[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of John Cock
>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:22 PM
>To: 'Colleague Dialogue'
>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope
>
>This is a good stream. Started me brooding on 
>the "hope beyond hope." When did we use that phrase?
>
>John
>
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>From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net 
>[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of LAURELCG at aol.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:34 PM
>To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net
>Subject: [Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope
>I think I agree with the speaker that 
>hopelessness kills people in the face of a 
>cancer diagnosis. Remarkable Recovery was an 
>important book to me in my lymphoma experience. 
>It documents many people recovering from 
>terminal diagnoses. I don't agree with your 
>speaker's second statement. It is trust in your 
>destiny, in this moment and for the future, that 
>is helpful. No one knows they're going to heaven.
>
>My memoir of my journey with cancer might be 
>helpful:Illness as Initiation: an unlikely 
>heroine's journey at 
><http://booklocker.com/books/5100.html>http://booklocker.com/books/5100.html.
>
>Conquering hope, IMHO, is what I attempt when I 
>sit in stillness to meditate and let go of my 
>self, my personal history, my possessions, my 
>thoughts, my beliefs (e.g. in heaven), my hopes, 
>my dreams, my fears. To travel back to before 
>the big bang and identify with the mystery that 
>was present in nothingness. Watching Fred 
>McGuire really let go of everything on his 
>journey to death taught me what meditation is for.
>
>Blessings, Jim. May all of us, especially your 
>daughter-in-law, be well and free from suffering,
>Jann McGuire
>
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>On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:49 AM, James Wiegel 
><<mailto:jfwiegel at yahoo.com>jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Listening to the Healing Cancer World Summit 
>>(daughter in law has rectal cancer) as I read 
>>your message, Bill . . . 2 comments from the speaker:
>>
>>Hopelessness is the killer, not cancer.
>>
>>Then, later, he said:  People who know they are 
>>going to heaven have a better chance of 
>>surviving cancer because they know where they are going . . .
>>
>>So, what is the relation between "going to 
>>heaven"  and "conquering hope" and "hopelessness"?
>>
>>Jim Wiegel
>>
>>Life isn't meant to be easy, it's meant to be 
>>life. -- James Michener, The Source
>>
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