[Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope

[KarenBueno at aol.com]

Well said, Bill.
Karen Bueno
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2011 7:55:21 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
pvida at whc.net writes:

 
Hopelessness is  despair.  Hope is a wish dream – and we all know how God 
relates to  visionary dreamers.  Conquering hope is acknowledging and 
embracing the  knowledge that the dark abyss will claim us and all our works – and 
trusting  ourselves to that destiny without escaping its compassion, or the  
responsibility of being linked to all that is that it thrusts upon us.  In 
a three story universe, we may hope for heaven and fear hell.  In this 
universe, we can only trust in the wonder and mystery that –  often – appears as 
the abyss.   
Whether we die of  cancer or boredom, we will certainly die.  Kaz claims 
that dying one way  ‘fructifies the earth.’  Seems to me to be a good way to  
go. 
 
Bill  Schlesinger 
Project  Vida 
3607 Rivera  Avenue 
El Paso, TX  79905 
(915)  533-7057 x 207 
(915)  533-7158 FAX 
_pvida at whc.net_ (mailto:pvida at whc.net)  
www.projectvidaelpaso.org
 
  
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From:  dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net 
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net]  On Behalf Of John  Cock
Sent: Thursday, October  27, 2011 7:22 PM
To:  'Colleague Dialogue'
Subject:  Re: [Dialogue] Healing Cancer/Heaven/Conquering  Hope
This is a good stream. Started me  brooding on the "hope beyond hope." When 
did we use that  phrase? 
John 
  
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From:  dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net 
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net]  On Behalf Of  LAURELCG at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:34  PM
To:  dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: [Dialogue] Healing  Cancer/Heaven/Conquering Hope 
 
I think I agree with  the speaker that hopelessness kills people in the 
face of a cancer diagnosis.  Remarkable  Recovery was an important book to me 
in my lymphoma  experience. It documents many people recovering from terminal 
diagnoses. I  don't agree with your speaker's second statement. It is trust 
in  your destiny, in this moment and for the future, that is helpful. No  
one  knows they're going to  heaven.
 

 
My memoir of my  journey with cancer might be helpful:Illness as 
Initiation: an  unlikely heroine's journey at _http://booklocker.com/books/5100.html_ 
(http://booklocker.com/books/5100.html) .
 

 
Conquering hope,  IMHO, is what I attempt when I sit in stillness to 
meditate and let go of my  self, my personal history, my possessions, my thoughts, 
my beliefs (e.g. in  heaven), my hopes, my dreams, my fears. To travel back 
to before the big bang  and identify with the mystery that was present in 
nothingness. Watching Fred  McGuire really let go of everything on his 
journey to death taught me what  meditation is for.
 

 
Blessings, Jim. May  all of us, especially your daughter-in-law, be well 
and free from  suffering,
 
Jann  McGuire
 

 

 

 
 
On Oct 27, 2011,  at 9:49 AM, James Wiegel <_jfwiegel at yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:jfwiegel at yahoo.com) >  wrote:

     
Listening to the Healing Cancer World Summit  (daughter in law has rectal 
cancer) as I read your message, Bill . .  . 2 comments from the speaker:  
 

 
Hopelessness is the killer, not  cancer.
 

 
Then, later, he said:  People who know  they are going to heaven have a 
better chance of surviving cancer  because they know where they are going . .  .
 

 
So, what is the relation between "going to  heaven"  and "conquering hope" 
and "hopelessness"?

Jim  Wiegel

Life isn't meant to be easy, it's meant to be life. --  James Michener, The 
Source

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