[Dialogue] 9/08/11, Spong: The Gladstone Library - A Final Visit

Elliestock at aol.com Elliestock at aol.com
Thu Sep 8 12:13:45 EDT 2011



 
  
____________________________________
 



 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=5b4358de04&e=db34daa597) 
   
 
_Homepage_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=1173909a8d&e=db34daa597)         _My  Profile_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=60ffc71332&e=db34d
aa597)         _Essay  Archive_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=a2a439f828&e=db34daa597)        _Message  
Boards_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=c333481c15&e=db34daa597)        _Calendar_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=d2646d9231&e=db34daa597) 

 
The  Gladstone Library - A Final Visit
In the United Kingdom about ten miles from the  ancient Roman city of 
Chester, inside the northern  edge of a country called Wales, is located an  
institution that calls itself “The Gladstone  Library.”  It also serves as a 
conference center,  run by a board of trustees and loosely related to the  
Anglican Church.  This library was originally  built to house the books of 
former Prime Minister  William Gladstone, who lived across the street in the  
village of Hawarden and who was a prolific reader and  even a well-versed 
theologian.  Gladstone was  also a very successful politician who shared the 
prime  minister’s office in regular rotation over a number of  years in what 
seemed like a game of musical chairs  with one Benjamin Disraeli. Upon Mr. 
Gladstone’s  death, he donated this library with all its books to  the world of 
scholarship.  People today come to  the library in a constant stream to do 
research, to  spend sabbatical time, to engage in a study break or  even to 
write or complete a book.  In recent  years, other well known English 
figures have donated  their professional books and personal papers to this  
Gladstone Library, thus enhancing its status as a  place of serious study.  Among 
them are John A.  T. Robinson, the most challenging Anglican scholar in  the 
last half of the 20th century, whose little book,  “Honest to God“ turned 
the Christian world upside down  when it was published in 1963.  It was 
later  translated into almost every language of the world,  selling more copies 
than any main stream Christian  publication in the 20th century.  This book  
helped Christianity escape its ecclesiastical ghetto  and was discussed in 
pubs, around bridge tables, on  golf courses across the United Kingdom and 
even by  London cabbies.  John Robinson had opened the  theological debate to 
the world.  Discouragingly  enough, the hierarchical response of the Church 
of  England was to block John Robinson’s career so that he  remained a 
minor figure in the church while being a  major figure in the world the church 
was created to  serve.  John died in 1983 and was buried in an  obscure 
church yard in the village of Arncliffe in  West Yorkshire.  Today, weeds grow 
over his  grave.  He was an enormous figure and for me was  both my mentor and 
my friend.  Now his extensive  library and personal papers are housed in 
the  Gladstone Library. So are the books and papers of  retired Cambridge 
theologian Don Cupitt, probably  Anglicanism’s most radical 20th century  
thinker, and Anglican biographer Eric James.  So  the Gladstone Library is a place 
of growing  theological significance and it is always an  attractive place 
to which budding scholars are  drawn.  Future groundbreaking books will 
surely  be born out of this library. 
The Gladstone Library is also a residential  conference center.  Over the 
past twelve years I  have been the conference leader for seven of those  
conferences.  All but one have been  oversubscribed and the one that was not was 
90% filled  and came in the wake of the market crash in  2008.  To these 
conferences have come lay and  clergy leaders: Catholic, Anglican, and  
Protestant.  At these conferences I have either  worked out of the material that 
would appear in a  subsequent book or have introduced a book shortly  after 
its publication.  In this Center over the  years deep friendships have also 
developed.   Conference members knowing of my current writing  interest would 
send me books appropriate to the  content of the subject on which I was 
working.   If one consults the prefaces to recent books like  Jesus for the 
Non-Religious and Eternal  Life: A New Vision one will see statements of my  
indebtedness to this center, formerly known as St.  Deiniol’s Conference 
Center and Library, to its  warden, the Rev. Peter Francis, and to the people I  
have engaged there. 
Christine and I planned this past summer what we  expect to be our final 
European lecture tour to  culminate in a conference at the Gladstone  Library. 
 Two events were scheduled for our time  at this Library.  One was to open 
on Monday  night, go three full days and culminate on Friday  morning.  This 
format would involve seven  lectures, all on my current study of the Fourth 
 Gospel.  Each lecture would be supplemented by a  discussion period with 
questions which, when put  together with the lecture, would form a two-hour 
block  of time.  So this conference involved fourteen  hours of material and 
interaction.  I looked  forward to it as a chance to test my Johannine study 
 publicly for the first time in a concentrated  form.  A second conference 
entitled  “Christpower” was also scheduled to begin on  Friday evening 
following the first conference, which  concluded that morning and to end with a 
formal tea  and a public lecture on Saturday afternoon at 4  p.m.  This was 
to be followed by a banquet on  Saturday evening specifically designed to 
thank me for  my years of teaching in this place.  The trustees  of the 
library had already elected me a “life fellow”  of the Gladstone Library several 
years ago.  To  my surprise I discovered that this latter conference  this 
year was “by invitation only” with invitations  going to people who had been 
particularly close to  both Christine and me over the years.  Even  members 
of our family came to be with us: a daughter  and son-in-law from Richmond, 
Virginia; a daughter  from Burundi in Africa, a niece from Ireland.   Also 
present was Anthea Kaan, widow of Fred Kaan, who  was in my opinion the best 
Christian hymn writer in  the 20th century and both of  them have been very 
 close friends of ours.  Three unusual and special  priests came from the 
Church of England, who have  shared with me the various ecclesiastical 
battles of  the past.  They were Hugh Dawes, the very gifted  first head of the 
Progressive Christian Network of  Great Britain; Adrian Alker, one of the most 
  effective  parish priests I have ever watched who  created an incredible 
congregation in Sheffield, and  Tony Crowe, one of the heroes  in the battle 
to  ordain women in the Church of England.  Lay  leaders in the Progressive 
Christian Network were also  present.  Sue O’Hare, a Methodist minister 
from  Barry in South Wales was present.  She had  attended previous conferences 
and always with an  entourage from her congregation.  There were also  
people present who had been major benefactors of the  Library like Arthur 
Burgess and Anthony Hannay. 
The culminating dinner on that Saturday following  the public lecture was 
one I shall long  remember.  The highlight of the evening, next to  my 
daughter Ellen’s tribute to her father that I shall  never forget, was an 
announcement made by the Warden  of the establishment of an annual event to be held 
at  the Gladstone Library beginning in 2013 to be known as  the John Shelby 
Spong/John A. T. Robinson Conference  to explore “Frontier or Boundary 
Theology.”  This  event will be designed to foster a continuing dialogue  between 
Christianity and contemporary knowledge,  including the insights of modern 
science.  This  was the Gladstone Library’s way of confirming the  emphasis 
that I have brought to this place over the  years and at the same time it 
will link me with the  man who was my mentor and whose work I have sought to  
carry forward as I stated that  it was my  intention to do when I wrote the 
preface to my book  A New Christianity for a New World. With that  annual 
conference in the UK and the newly-established  Spong lectureship at St. Peter’
s Church in Morristown,  New Jersey, which was inaugurated in June of this 
year  with Karen Armstrong as the first lecturer and with  528 people in 
attendance, the emphasis I have sought  to provide for the Christian Church 
will surely be  continued. 
As I lived through these moving events, they seemed  to have a sense of 
finality about them.  The fact  that I also celebrated my 80th birthday in 
London on  this lecture tour enhanced this sense that I was  participating in “
final things.”  For the last 12  years, Christine and I have spent about 70% 
of our  lives away from home, lecturing and teaching in  various churches, 
conference centers and  universities.  I have now spoken in some venue at  
more than 400 universities in the United States,  Canada and around the world. 
 It has been a  wonderful life and I have enjoyed this third career  more 
than any other phase of my life.  I want to  make sure, however, that I cease 
this activity before  people want me to cease it.  I want to stop while  
invitations are still coming in, not because they have  dried up.  We are now 
scheduled well into the  late fall of 2012.  We have decided that we will  
therefore cut back our travel schedule dramatically on  December 31, 2012.  I 
will then devote my  energies to more local concerns, including deeper  
involvement in our local parish church, St. Peter’s in  Morristown, which both 
Christine and I enjoy very  much. We even miss it when we are away. 
My writing activities will continue for a few years  longer.  I have signed 
a contract to produce this  weekly column through December 31, 2013 and 
annually  after that if health permits.  I am working on a  book on the gospel 
of John that is due at  Harper/Collins by the end of 2014.  If life and  
vitality are granted to me I hope to complete that  final book on schedule.  If 
I do it will be my  seventh “last book” and I will be 84 when it comes  
out.  All of this makes me feel that the time has  come to plan the next phase 
of my life.  I want  to be the one who sprints to the finish line rather  
than one who limps as I have seen so many people do.  Being at the Gladstone 
Library, celebrating our  common life and our longtime friendships made me 
know  how very fortunate I am to have lived this long with  creativity as yet 
undiminished. 
So it will be full speed ahead for my public  lecturing career until the 
end of 2012.  It will  be full speed ahead with the writing of this column  
through at least December of 2013 and perhaps longer  after that.  It will be 
full speed ahead in the  completion of my book on the Fourth Gospel by the 
end  of 2014 and then, as long as I am able, it will be a  deep investment in 
our local community and our local  church from then on. 
I hope you will celebrate these plans with me as  you have celebrated this 
incredible journey into life  and faith with me for many years. 
~John Shelby Spong 
Read the essay online _here_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=f3d74fc647&e=db34daa597) .
 
Question  & Answer
Jonnie Wilson from the University Christian Church  in San Diego, 
California, writes: 
Question:
We appreciate that you don’t want to throw out the  Bible, but rather to “
rescue it” and focus on its  message of love.  Do you think there will ever 
be  a day when the Bible will include not only the Old  Testament and the 
New Testament, but also the “Newest  Testament” that might reflect modern 
Christian  thought? 
Answer:
Dear Jonnie,  
Given what I know about church decision making  processes, I think the 
answer to your question is a  simple “no.”  I do not see how an ecclesiastical  
body could be constituted to make this happen in any  official way given 
the state of institutional  Christianity today.  Some individuals might be  
able to accomplish this task for themselves, but I do  not believe 
institutional forms of Christianity ever  will.  
The intention of your question, however, can be met  in other ways and I 
think it not only will, but it  must.  The Bible, as presently constituted, 
makes  the assumption that God no longer speaks through  people in this world 
and has not done so since II  Peter, the last written book that was added to 
the  Canon of Scripture about 135 CE.  
Included in our sacred text at this moment are no  voices of women, no 
voices of people of color and no  voices from the last 2000 years of Christian  
history.  Surely a book suffering from those  limitations cannot be called 
in any literal sense “The  Word of God” unless you assume that the word of 
the  Lord can only be found in males (who are generally  thought of as white 
although they are actually middle  eastern),  and that they all lived 
between 1000  BCE and 135 CE!  Surely God is not so limited,  nor has God been on 
a sabbatical for the last 2000  years!  
So why can we not supplement our scriptures with  other voices?  We can 
call these readings in  church:  “The Contemporary Lesson” or something  
similar.  Among the things I would like to be  considered for inclusion in such a 
practice are:  

The letter from a Birmingham Jail, by Martin  Luther King, Jr.  
Some of the writings from recognized female  religious leaders through the 
ages like Hildegard of  Bingen in the early 12th century and Julian  of 
Norwich in the late 14th century.   More contemporary female voices might 
include Mary  Seton from the 17th century and Dorothy Day  from the 20th century.  
Contemporary  female leaders of great and even daring insight might  
include Karen Armstrong and Elaine Pagels.  
Some of the voices of the Third World like  Archbishop Desmond Tutu, 
Archbishop Oscar Romero and  Leonardo Boff would bring to “scripture” a very  
different accent.  
Frontier voices that moved Christianity in new  directions might include 
such shaping theologians as  Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, Meister 
Eckhart,  Martin Luther, John Calvin, Erasmus, Teilhard de  Chardin, John A. T. 
Robinson, Edward Schillebeeckx,  Hans Kung, Paul Tillich and John Elbridge 
Hines.  
I am sure this list could be expanded endlessly and  everyone would 
probably come up with different  names.  Your letter might free the imaginations  
of my readers to form the list of those whose work has  been “the word of God 
“ to them, for that is what I  have done and that is how scripture is 
always  determined.  
We could then keep the Bible as it is as our  historic text, but add to its 
message in a  supplementary way from the richness of our religious  
history.  
I would also like to encourage churches to stop  ending the Sunday service 
reading of scripture with  some version of the liturgical phrase “This is 
the  Word of the Lord.”  There are some passages in  the Bible that no one 
should ever attribute to God  (see I Samuel 15:1-2, for example), but we can 
still  hear God speaking through the Bible and surely a  living God would also 
speak through other voices in  history.  So perhaps we should end the 
reading of  scripture as the Anglican prayer book of New Zealand  suggests:  “
Hear what the Spirit is saying to the  churches.”  
Thank you for your question.  
~John Shelby  Spong
 
Announcements





Read what Bishop Spong has to say about _A  Joyful Path Progressive 
Christian Spiritual Curriculum  for Young Hearts and Minds_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=8e6b032e00&e=db34daa597)
 : "The great need in the  Christian church is for a Sunday school 
curriculum for  children that does not equate faith with having a  pre-modern mind. 
The Center for Progressive  Christianity has produced just that. Teachers 
can now  teach children in Sunday school without crossing their  fingers. I 
endorse it  wholeheartedly."  
Subcribers, please remember that  your subscription is automatically  
renewed. You can unsubscribe at any time. You  just need to _login  to access 
your profile page and cancel your  account_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=6ba4b8f6e9&e=db34daa597) . Also, 
please note that the name on the  bill will now be listed  as "SPONGNEWS" or  
"SPONGNEWSLETTER" rather than "water  front media" or "wfm" as The Center 
for Progressive  Christianity (aka ProgressiveChristianity.org) is now  the 
publisher and manager of this newsletter. We hope  you enjoy the new website 
and newsletter layout!  
_Login  to be able to comment _ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=cbe9199675&e=db34daa597) directly on the 
website.  Join in the discussion!  
_Click  here to sign up for our free monthly e-Bulletin_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=41ea231518&e=db34da
a597) ,  published by ProgressiveChristianity.org- each  eBulletin has 
articles, reviews, books, events, and  more.  
_Look  for us on Facebook._ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=ce4c70214d&e=db34daa597)   
_You  can also follow Bishop Spong on Twitter._ (http://tcpc.us2.list-mana
ge1.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=145d3ae9a6&e=db34daa597)   
Thank you for taking this journey with us!  
Any questions or concerns, please contact us  at 
_support at johnshelbyspong.com_ (mailto:support at johnshelbyspong.com)   or 253-303-0354.  

_forward  to a friend_ 
(http://us2.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=0df31b7ef6&e=db34daa597)   

Copyright  © 2011 The Center for Progressive Christianity, All  rights 
reserved. 
You are receiving this email  because you have a membership at our website. 
 
Our mailing address is:  
The Center for  Progressive Christianity  
 
4916 Pt Fosdick Dr, NW
#148
Gig Harbor, WA 98335

_Add  us to your address book_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/vcard?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=e16aeed959) 


If  you are a paying subscriber, you may _login  and cancel your account_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=b4
472dfb75&e=db34daa597)  otherwise, you may _unsubscribe  from this list_ 
(http://tcpc.us2.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=b51b9cf441b059bb232418480&id=e16
aeed959&e=db34daa597&c=0df31b7ef6) 


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://wedgeblade.net/pipermail/dialogue_wedgeblade.net/attachments/20110908/bedb2606/attachment-0001.html>


More information about the Dialogue mailing list