[Dialogue] Killing Wilbur's Abstractions.

[steve har]

Darrell

Sorry I don't do Wilbur Abstractions so I don't actually know about the
correct levels and color combination codes...I don't know what your comment
means:

"Also your continuing condemnation of Mythic religion (per Ken Wilber)
shows your arrogant Spiral Dynamics Green level in its most elegant
narcissistic colors.  If you had any rudimentary understanding of spiritual
evolution you would know that the Mythic level (read fundamentalist) is a
necessary step in the process and not to be denigrated".

Seems like layers of Cartesian abstraction where protagonists engage each
other by flinging paradigmatic abstractions at each other.

I like Mike May's question much  better - what are you practicing these
days in your life?

If you watch Kaze Gadway's talk she speaks from the center of her life not
from the peanut gallery. She shares personal history, what is real and
alive for her, what she is up to, how she has respect for and pays-forward
something to someone. You can get a sense of what she is up to, what she is
practicing now in her life.

For curiosity I asked Walt Epley who is digitizing old talks,  for a copy
of Kaye Hayes' Freedom Lecture about 1972. Still an amazing talk.

Is she still even the same person? Kaye the Pedagogue & Kaze the
Storyteller. It took me a long time to recognize who she was being as a
storyteller.
.
As a Pedagogue the Freedom Lecture goes like this: Lucid, Sensitive,
Exposed, Disciplined

As a Storyteller the Freedom Lecture seems more like Exposed and expressing
some thing real from your life, having the discipline and the courage to
say what you see from your life, to put it out there, to say it into
existence.

 It is in the telling that your lucidity and sensitivity show up... or not.
For me wisdom is about what you practice not opinionating about something.

A Zen monk I've been studying -the founder of Soto Zen from 800 years ago -
 asks the hard question at the end of a famous koan:

"what did the monk see that he expressed by bowing. Which I hear something
like: what do you get about your live that you are willing to share about
being a human being of integrity.

A lot of current Christian and process gurus leave me the space of
spectator of neck-up detached and  disembodied knowing, there is very
little effort to share & grant being to others, very little intention to do
something with the knowing

So Darrell got any thing to share from your life? This is a direct
question. You show me yours, I'll show you mine...open kimono style.

No autobiographical expression = spectators and critics view not players
and practitioners sharing something of their life. I'd much rather listen
to some personal expression like Kaze's stories of freedom than libertine
abstractions.

For me personally it is more  interesting "what you do with what you know"
than perseverating about  what you know and what categories you are stuck
[or not stuck in] at the moment. "You" is you, me and us.

I'd much rather share a YouTube video clip like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjvJHsJD8ic

Then have an online movie conversation...

These days the question isn't What's one thing that grounds you in history.

A better question is: what are you cooking up in your life or even better:
What are you practicing in your life now? Tell me a story...the way Kaze
does...

I'd much rather participate in an ecology of generous speaking and
listening than I would engage in sharp-shoot stingy abstractions, which is
the way your quote [above] occurs for me: sharp-shooting, abstractions,
opinionating.

Sorry is isn't personal, Darrell.  It is a little bit of a push-back on the
abstraction noise factor.

Steve





-- 
Steve Harrington
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