[Oe List ...] Fall/Redemption vs Creation-Centered Theology

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thank you, Jann.

What a difference!
Mary

-------------- Original message from LAURELCG at aol.com: -------------- 


> Karen, 
> 
> Since no one else has answered your question about redemption-based vs 
> creation-based theology, I'll send some thoughts from M. Fox's ORIGINAL 
> BLESSING. 
> He has an appendix in the back with pages of comparisons of what he calls 
> Fall/Redemption and Creation-Centered spiritualities. 
> 
> Key spokespersons for F/R: Augustine; Thomas a Kempis; Bossuet; Cotton 
> Mather; Tanquerry. For C-C: Yahwist author; wisdom writers; prophets; Jesus; 
> Paul; Irenaeus; Benedict; Hildegarde; Francis; Aquinas; Mechtild; Eckhart; 
> feminists; liberation theologians; artistis; musicians; poets. 
> 
> Patriarchal vs Feminist 
> 
> Ascetic vs Aesthetic 
> 
> Mortification of body vs Discipline toward birthing 
> 
> Suffering is wages for sin vs Suffering is birth pangs of universe 
> 
> Emphasizes original sin vs emphasizes original blessing 
> 
> Egological vs ecological 
> 
> Suspicious of body and violent in its body/soul imagery; "soul makes war with 
> the body" (Augustine) vs Welcoming of body and gentle in its body/soul 
> imagery; "soul loves the body" (Eckhart) 
> 
> Climbing Jacob's ladder vs. Dancing Sara's circle 
> 
> Personal salvation vs Salvation and healing of the people of God and the 
> cosmos 
> 
> Build up church vs Build up Kingdom/Queendom 
> 
> Struggle to clean one's conscience vs Struggle to make justice of injustice 
> and to balance the cosmos 
> 
> Spiritual journey follows 3 paths of purgation, illumination and union 
> (Plotinus) vs Spiritual journey follows four paths of Via Positiva, Via 
> Negative, 
> Via Creativa and Via Transformativa. 
> 
> Righteousness vs Justice. 
> 
> Theistic vs Panentheistic. 
> 
> There are lots more, but you get the idea. 
> 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> Blessings, 
> Jann McGuire 
> 
> In a message dated 4/22/05 4:58:50 PM, KarenBueno at aol.com writes: 
> 
> << In a message dated 4/22/2005 6:32:14 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
> hfgreene at mindspring.com writes: 
> Thanks for this reminder, Laura. Matthew Fox's essential theological 
> contribution is to move the church from redemption based theology to 
> creation based theology. EI and RSI were out of the redemption based 
> tradition. Over the years EI and ICA have understood the need to move to a 
> creation based understanding. Because ICA is not based in theological 
> reflection this has not been formally integrated into the EI's theological 
> heritage but is being developed by many of those who experienced their 
> theological awakening in EI. 
> 
> Herman 
> Herman, (and others) please say a few more words about the definitions of 
> redemtion based and creation based understandings and how they differ. I 
> hadn't 
> heard the terms, and I want to know what they point to. 
> 
> Karen Bueno >> 
> 
> 
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